Ankur @warikoo On Alien Encounters, Souls, Life & Time Travel | The Ranveer Show 70 | Transcription
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When we think or when we have feelings of deja vu, when we have feelings like, have I dreamt about this and it's happening to me right now, when we have those feelings of have I met this person before, all of that and so much more is possibly just a computer program driving the entire world. We are sleeping somewhere but we are dreaming and the dream is perpetual and it's so real that we think that the dream is the reality. Mr Ankur Warakoo, how are you sir? When it comes to the world of startups, the guys want to be you, the girls want to be with you. So how does it feel? That's like the worst way that you can start me and brought me in, man. It's like, no pressure at all. What's your story? I mean a lot of people probably know it but I just want you to run the audiences through it either way. It's been a fascinating, fascinating life Ranveer. I am so, so lucky and privileged to have lived this life. To be honest, if you asked me when I was 20, would I be doing this and would I be where I am? The answer would be a conclusive no. I was preparing for my life to become a space scientist. I was working towards becoming an academic and went to the US, figured very quickly it wasn't for me. Dropped everything, came back to India, had to start my life all over again at the age of 24 by which most of my peers from school and college were already gone on to do multiple great things in their life. Then went for a business school education, did consulting and 11 years back became an entrepreneur that completely changed the course of my life and here I am. What did you not like about America? Why did you choose to come back? You know what, I actually loved the US. I really liked my time there. I didn't like what I was doing, but I loved where I was. I just couldn't find a middle ground between what I wanted to do and where I wanted to be. I speak often about this that the US is a fantastic way to uncover your own self because here's what the US does. It offers you all the possible distractions that the world has to offer. Literally everything. You have money, you have entertainment, you have gaming, you have food, you have porn. You literally have everything that you want at your disposal and then it asks you, are you able to navigate through all this distraction and still make it for yourself? And I love that about the US and I love that about the meritocracy of how it organizes itself. But I wasn't happy doing what I was doing and that was the big reason why I came back. What I read about your past is that you grew up wanting to join NASA and working as a, I don't know, I don't know the term for it, a rocket scientist, a space engineer. I just want to make it sound cool, but basically wanted to work in the realms of space. So did you like not try that? Did you not enjoy that after trying it? Like what happened? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't enjoy it after trying. So I pursued it. I pursued it for a really long extent. I was actually doing my PhD when I was in the US and two years into it, I just realized it was something that I was good at, but it wasn't something that made me happy. And that's why I came. Your PhD in what? In in, hold on to your chair in astrophysics. Oh wow. Nice. Can you, can you, can you take us through, I mean, without taking us into the depths of that subject. What's that subject about? Like what do you learn? Why did you choose to do a PhD in astrophysics? So there is, there is a, there is a stream called astronomy, which most of us know of. It's basically looking at the stars and figuring out through the light that they emit and the visual mapping that they have. What are they all about? Physics on the other hand, doesn't look at them necessarily, but looks at their motion. So it's the physics of it. And through that physics, it concludes pretty much the same things that you would perhaps conclude if you were to look at it through a telescope. So it's, it's just another stream of looking into the night sky and figuring out what, where do we belong and, and what are we up to? So I did the next obvious question that in the mind of a lot of my young college listeners is Mr. Vareku, do you believe in aliens? Like do you think that there is extraterrestrial life out there? Absolutely yes. 100%. I, I have grown up on X-Files. I it was the, it was the only show that mattered to me. I used to look at it diligently and this was back when there was no binging happening. So you literally had to wait every week for an episode to come by. And I, I studied so much about alien life, about extraterrestrials, about all these conspiracy theories, whether we have landed on the moon or not. What happened in Roswell in 1947? Have aliens visited the US? Have they visited India? Oh my God. I have stories and stories about it, but yeah, I do believe in them. Yeah. Same. I think a huge chunk of my childhood, right from the time I think I discovered reading at around the age of 10, it'll say about 17 when the world kind of tells you, no follow science get into engineering college. That little chunk was all about the occult and studying aliens and studying about things like the Roosevelt incident. I'm going to ask you a kind of muffled question.
Aliens, Spirituality, And Personal Struggles
Encounters with aliens (06:23)
Have you had any like alien encounters or have you ever felt like you got abducted yourself? Nothing like that. I think I saw three UFOs when I was in college. I'm pretty convinced I did, but that's the closest that I've come to. I study a lot of, uh, I mean, again, this is just a subject of interest for me. So, uh, I think on our Instagram live stream, I told you about these books by this guy called Graham hand.
Graham Hancocks references of past civilizations (06:52)
And he, he, he's basically an alternative history guy. So he tries to, uh, prove that all the history we're taught in school isn't true. And it's actually a lot more to discover like how I think one of the early history lessons that I had in school was about the four civilizations. So Chinese Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and ancient Indian. But Graham Hancock strongly believes that there was a whole bunch of civilizations before that, like right from around 50,000 BC, 60,000 BC around. And they had a lot of contact with the so-called aliens. And that's what he's trying to discover. And what happened is once the ice age kicked in about 11,000, 12,000 years ago, um, a lot of the land mass that we know today was actually way more inland. And there was a lot more on the course all over the world, but the ice age kind of took over, uh, all those land masses. That's why he has stories about Darka and Atlantis and all these places which got submerged. Uh, but there's a lot of talks about how aliens and humans would, uh, interact in that phase of human history. Uh, and, and he kind of, he, as well as a lot of the yoga that I've read speaks very positively about alien culture, extraterrestrial culture. So I'd love to know what you think about all this.
Ancient human-alien interaction (08:18)
Um, what's your input on, uh, this whole ancient human alien interaction. It's the same thing, uh, Ranveer that we spoke about the other day. I firmly believe that we're not the first human civilization to have lived on earth where we're possibly the second or the third, or maybe even higher than that civilization. Uh, and I remember this book that really fascinated me when I was young. Uh, it was called the chariots of the God. And this book was all about the fact that everything that we've come to believe as, uh, as a remnant of ancient civilization, whether it's the pyramids, whether it's the iron pillar in Delhi, whether it's, uh, the Mayan civilization and all that they've accomplished. Um, all of that only happened because we were visited by extraterrestrial intelligence and they were the ones who gave us all the super power and all the know-how that we needed to get that done. And the way that he, he spoke about it, which is quite fascinating. If you think about it is if you were to go to a really backward tribe today, let's say you go to any forest tribe deep in Madhya Pradesh or Andamans or wherever, and you carry with you your iPad and you carry with you your phone and you carry with you an internet connection and you carry with you weapons. All of them will look like literally God-like just as we think gods were, as we depict them, like literally everything, the, the weapons that we have, the artilleries, imagine them looking at what a helicopter is or what a parachute is or, or what, uh, uh, just a simple car is, and they would be just mind blown. So in their own limited primitive mind, they would start drawing us out and saying, Oh my God, a loudspeaker was like Shivvani. And then an iPad happened and that was like God's tablet of 10 commandments. And I'm not being no, uh, blasphemous here, but you get the drift. And that perhaps is what happened. That's exactly what happened.
Thoughts about the extraterrestrial life (10:36)
What's your, what's your opinion on the modern world with respect to extraterrestrial life? Do you think that, uh, area 51 is finally going to announce that aliens have been visiting us for a while? I don't know, man. I really don't know. I, you know, here, here is, here is what I genuinely think. I think that there is a higher probability Ranveer that we are all living in a simulation than the fact that aliens are visiting us right now. Can you explain this further? I like this. Yes. So, so I know if you've seen the matrix, the movie, I genuinely believe that we are in a matrix. I genuinely believe that when we think, or when we have feelings of deja vu, when we have feelings like, have I dreamt about this and it's happening to me right now, when we have those feelings of, have I met this person before? Like this person sounds or looks so familiar when we have this feeling like, Oh my God, this is such a small world. How do you even know? Like, how have we even connected? All of that and so much more is possibly just a computer program driving the entire world. We are sleeping somewhere, but we are dreaming and the dream is perpetual. And it's so real that we think that the dream is the reality, which is what happens to us. Right? When we, when we wake up, there are so many times when we're like, am I awake? Am I dreaming? Is this real? Is this not? And it's quite likely that that is, that's, that's what's happening right now. I have not yet realized that there is a destiny and there is a karma and there is a love. But it'll be quite, it'll be quite a slap on all our faces if, if all that we know is it's just a computer program somewhere running and making it happen. Yeah. So again, this is a big reason I kind of took a deep dive into spirituality like four or five years ago because spirituality, the correct spiritual books talk about all these concepts from a very yoga kind of Dharmic perspective.
Ranveer explains the Astral world (12:38)
And I'm not talking about the women's you read about in like Mahabharata Ramayana. They actually explain the nature of life in very trippy ways. So there's a chapter in this book called the autobiography of a yogi. It's kind of little later in the book. It's just about the astral world. And the whole, the whole experience of reading that book up till that chapter is like, it's very kind of spiritual. It's very kind of a feel good book. It kind of strengthens your faith in God and positivity. And then they throw in this one chapter, which is like, it blasts you out of your chair where he explains the astral world in detail. Have you read this? Do you, have you read this book? I I've read the book, but I don't recall this. So, so clearly I haven't paid attention to it. So basically he talks about, he explains the astral world in detail. I think it's like chapter 41, 42, the chapter is called my guru returns or something. Basically his, the, the, the protagonist guru has passed away and he comes back to explain a, like his soul comes back to explain the meaning and the nature of the astral world. So he talks about some very, again, for lack of a better word, trippy concepts in terms of a, he explains why the human experience exists in the first place. And it's basically it's to test the free will of all souls. Therefore, what is a soul? Then he goes into explaining that, um, imagine that there's a massive ball of light, which you refer to as God or a higher power, or, you know, when people say, oh, there's something that's omnipresent, that's that ball of light. That's that encapsulate everything, including hell, including heaven, all that. Uh, now imagine that ball of light is in a human beings, uh, brain. Okay. So you can make one tiny cell from the brain and place it on your palm. So that cell is the equivalent of one person's soul. So uncle soul or and we're soul, is that one cell, but which is a kind of tied together by being a part of that same ball of light. Um, now on the journey from the brain to the palm of that God's hand, um, there is something called seven planes. And in each plane, and I don't, I don't know what the, what the explanation of a plane is. I don't know whether it is an actual physical play and I don't know whether it's something beyond human perception, but on each plane you kind of leave a part of yourself and you reach the lowest plane, which is the earth plane. There are lower planes than this as well, but we are on one of like the middle planes. So the lower planes would be what we refer to as hell or hellish planets or hellish realms. But anyway, you leave parts of yourself in the higher seven realms. And that's why there are seven chakras because each of them, I or antennas to connect to like your higher seven planes. Um, and basically as you spiritually advance, you get reconnected again with those parts of yourself that you left in those planes. Therefore concepts like deja vu or concepts like, um, do you know these larger than life things where you feel that something, something is off and you look at your hands and you ask yourself, why am I within this capsule called the human body? It's actually all your seven versions of yourself, which are like kind of getting confused and questioning each other, trying to pull you back to that memory of where you came from. And that's why in the human experience, this is spiritual purpose is like important because you're going back to your natural self, which is not that one cell. It's actually that ball of light. And when you do reach that ball of light, it's called mukti or enlightenment or whatever. But people think it ends there. It's not as simple as that. Uh, in the chapter, uh, he talks about once you reach mukti in this plane, you go to a much higher plane called the astral plane. And the astral plane is the so-called world of dreams where, um, it's basically, you know, how, how do dreams work when you're lucid dreaming? If you think, okay, I want a burger in my hand, there'll be a burger in your hand. Suddenly like anything you wish for. I want to fly now you'll end up flying. So the astral world works just like that, where anything you can think of in physically be felt. And that's the challenge of the astral world that it's so seductive that people get stuck there. But even in the astral world, there is a certain evolution that you're supposed to go through, which is again a very spiritual process in that world. And then you move into something called the causal world, which is a higher version of the astral world where there aren't all these distractions. It's it's, it's pure peace. And the causal world, the only way you can explain it to another human being is, you know, sometimes when you're really tired and you sleep, you just close your eyes. And then when you open your eyes, it's like nine hours of past, like you don't know where those nine hours have gone. So that's where you entered a causal state of being where you can't, you lose a sense of identity. You lose a sense of experience and you just wake up back into the human experience. And even after the causal world, there is the final, the actual ball of light, which you're supposed to connect with once again. So this is a very rough, raw explanation of this. Yeah. Done on a podcast, but, um, there's like a lot of books about this. So the books will be autobiography of a yogi and this book called doorways to light and channel knowledge of the Rishi's. These are the three books I would recommend. The third one is a series of 14 books, which you can order off Amazon, very heavy stuff, but incredible. If you want to take a deep dive, I'm good back to you. You, you've, you've inspired me to read this, this book again, man, I, uh, I lost so much of touch from, from all the things that you said. And just as you were saying it, and we, I just felt those wave of emotions come by. Uh, it's time for me to go back to the book and I think that'll be my biggest takeaway from this, from this podcast. So thank you for this explanation. I'm glad, but do, do you think that somewhere it was that, that spiritual question inside you as a kid, which made you think that you want to join NASA and become an a NASA engineer?
Role of spirituality in his childhood (18:43)
Like, do you think it was these spiritual questions that caused something to change inside you? I do know that I used to ask, and this is my mom speaking, not me, but my, my mom does say that you used to ask some very weird questions when you were a kid, um, questions like, yeah, what do you want to do? And they're like, you're a kid, like, why are you even asking these questions? Uh, but I do know that joining NASA or space was, I feel just infatuation. It's something that all kids in some way want to feel good about themselves, like an astronaut or a scientist and work in a space agency. And NASA was just so cool, at least back then when I was growing up. But I, over the years, I think lately is when I have begun to question a lot about what do I want to do? What does peace and happiness mean to me? Is it definitely, is it really chasing what the world lays out as, as their definition of success, uh, is not doing those things really failure. And I think a reflection on that has made me a lot more contemplative, a lot more aware about what drives me, what makes me happy, what, uh, what just brings me joy. And the biggest thing that has happened Ranveer is I have become, Hindi word is Samta. So that is what I have. I've actually started experiencing, which is, which is a balance. You are, you're neither overly happy when something nice happens to you. You're neither overly sad when something bad happens to you. You almost like numb, but that's a poor description because numb almost suggests like you're not living. You're actually living and you're living meaningfully, but you're not allowing your emotions to get the better of you. Which I like, which I like. I think one, one of the most impactful threads I read on Twitter was, I told you this on a live stream as well. It was something you wrote as a, my lessons up till the age of 39. And I'd written a similar one about my lessons at 26 and mine was primarily about calming down angst and, you know, working hard. And then at 39, you know, once those hard work principles are established, once those less angst principles are established, it's very interesting to see how does a 39 year old human think, and you had all these like concepts about leadership. I think you had one or two over family life as well. I just, I want to ask you that dude, like once you go towards the age of 40, what happens within your head?
Thoughts at the age of 40 (21:47)
Like, and I'm not just talking about Ankur. I'm talking about everyone, you know, human beings would, what happens near 40? Like do some people feel pressure? Do some people feel like, Oh shit, I've not made it. Do some people want to go even harder in the paint because now things are established? What happens? I think the, the overwhelming feeling Ranveer is that of where did this time suddenly go? It's like my B is here, my college is here. I can literally just graduated right now. And where the F did these 20 years just suddenly go? Like what did I do? And that to a fair degree of people brings in a lot of unhappiness, a lot of dissatisfaction, a lot of just general discontentment about what all they've gotten done in life. And they're like, shit, I've been working so hard, but for what? And I still haven't gotten anywhere and I still am clueless. And the number of people, because I of course have a circle, which is mostly 40 year olds. It is not, it is not funny. And definitely not something which, which makes me feel happy. The number of people who still don't know what they want from life. Oh, wow. And the stills trying to find that out. They're like, I don't know why I'm doing this job. I'm doing it because it gets me money. And it's like this regular affair of a monthly salary and of appraisals and of bonuses and of promotions and all that. But I really don't know if I were to pause and ask myself, why am I doing this? What is the driver? Does it bring me joy? Does it add any meaning to my life? No. The other overwhelming feeling is if you do have or don't have relationships, then the appreciation of it. If you have one, then you appreciate what you have, whether it's a family, whether it's the fact that your parents are still with you, whether it's the fact that you have kids and you're seeing them grow or the fact that you don't, whether you are in broken relationships, in toxic relationships, not in a relationship at all, or have lost your partner or have lost your family, then the shared realization that at this age and going so forward, that's the only thing perhaps that matters, which will center you back to what life's purpose or at least joy could be. So I think it just swings between these two extremes, which is, have I done anything professionally, have I really stood up to what I wanted to do? And then this other extreme, which is, I love what I have in terms of relationships or I miss what I don't have in terms of relationships. Dude, when I look at you, I feel like you're someone who's gained a lot of zen, a lot of peace. So what have you done different as a 40 year old when compared to other like 40 year olds around you? I feel the biggest thing that drives me and perhaps my thoughts Ranveer is this deep sense of curiosity.
What drives him? (25:01)
Here is how I describe myself. I'm someone who loves questions, but don't love answers. And that's the best way that I describe myself. I love asking questions. I love asking why, how, what, when, whether, if, but it's like this dog chasing a car. I am a dog chasing a car and I have no plan what to do if the car stops. I'm just chasing the car. And that is what happens. And you replace the car with a question and I'm just chasing that question. And I love, I love like, why did Ranveer ask me this question? Like, what is it that Ranveer has done that makes him stand apart from anyone else his age? Why did she act or behave in that way? Why did I lose my temper that day? Why did I feel insecure at that point of time? I constantly keep asking myself that. And I think just the reflection of it has made me richer around about what I think, how I operate. And then I see most of the patterns are the same. I'm no different than, than anyone else. And I think while we are given this drug that we are all different, but I think we're all different in what can come out of us, but we are very same in terms of how we react and how we feel. That is what has been a big learning that whatever is it that I'm going through, it's quite likely that anyone else in the same situation will go through the same thing. So if I can, in some way create that awareness amongst myself within myself and amongst others, then it just makes for, for a much easier, much easier stay on earth. If you will. To curiosity. What I gained from your answer was curiosity fills those voids. And I feel everybody has certain voids in their life early on. It might be a world. Can I kill it in my career later? It becomes relationships. Then it becomes existentialism. But curiosity kind of fills that void of existentialism. That's a question I've had a lot in my head. Again, I'm asking out of curiosity. Something I asked Pratik who had as well, who's 30 years old.
His fatherhood experience (27:26)
And I don't know why I have been getting thoughts about fatherhood. Like I don't know whether it's like, you know how they go like, Oh, certain women at in their late twenties will get strong thoughts about motherhood. And then it's supposed to be a biological phenomenon. Does it also apply to guys? Like do guys also get thoughts like that? Like, Hey, I need to raise a family. I don't know. So my next obvious question to you is about the nature of life after you've had kids, like what in a kid's journey changes you as a man? Wow. That's a, that's a terrific question, man. I will, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll tell you the truth. And this is something that I've, I don't think I've shared publicly ever. It's possibly the most gratifying thing. And I'd say the thing that I will be most proud of on my death bed, which is just the fact that I got to experience fatherhood. And here's why it so happened that around the time when Vidur who's, who's our elder son, he's nine years old. He was born, which was 2011. I saw a lot of individuals who were shaped up as adults and the experiences and the emotions that they felt as adults because of what happened to them as kids, because of how their relationship with their parents were because of how their parents were as individuals. And it dawned upon me that I too was an outcome of how my parents brought me up in a very meaningful manner. And I don't think I had reflected upon that as much as, as I did when, when that happened. And it was serendipitous just by chance. And then there was this insane sense of responsibility, almost to the extent of being acting as pressure, which is shit. I'm bringing this life onto earth and whatever I operate as or like as an individual and how we along with my, or me along with my wife operate as parents is going to define someone's life like Puri Zindagi. I was just insane. It got me, it got me thinking about so many things. How should we know? Should we shout at him? Should we scold him at all? Should we give him all the freedom that he wants? Should we allow him to do whatever it is? Should we unschool him? Should we school him? Should we send him to a CBSE board or an international school? What kind of kids will he grow around? So on and so forth, so on and so forth, so on and so forth. And it was, it was quite overwhelming. But then the reason I call fatherhood as such a blessing and such a privilege is because I realized there are very few principles that you need to take care of beyond which if you as an individual are not stuck up on how your kids are raised, you will actually go on to raise wonderful human beings. And that's what matters. And there is like, if I were to show you Vidur's room, he has a wall which is painted with blackboard paint. So it converts into a blackboard. We have written these three values that we want him to always stand by, which is respect for everyone, a very high sense of responsibility, and zero tolerance for mediocrity. And I think that's it. It's just it. If he respects everyone irrespective of how they speak, who they are, where they've come from, and so on and so forth, if he always acts responsibly, and he has zero or very low tolerance for mediocrity, we're sorted. He's sorted. And it doesn't need to be anything else. And then the game completely changed in 2017 when our daughter was born. That was like, my God, I admittedly, I didn't want a second child. My wife was like, no, Vidur needs a sibling, Vidur needs a sibling, it means a lot. And she comes from a family of three siblings. I have a sister who's six years younger to me. So never really had a sibling-sibling relationship, it was more like a elderly guardian of sorts. But she was like, no, no, no, we need to have a sibling relationship. And I was like, Vidur is such an angel, and I can't afford two boys in my life. So the likelihood that we will get a girl who is just as good is like 25%. So my stats are good. I can't play a gamble on those odds. But thankfully, it was a girl and she's such a blessing because then having a daughter, Ranveer, is when I think you experience true fatherhood. Because when you have a boy, then it's like a friend. But when you get a girl, that's completely something else. That's like you suddenly have to be a provider, a protector, plus at the same time instill in her the essence of equality, the essence of equal opportunity. And it's such a wonderful balance to find and strive for. And daughters just are wonderful. They're just wonderful. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I mean, this is something I've always thought about and what would it feel like having a daughter, but when you articulated it like that, I get it, man. Like, I mean, I don't exactly get it, but I get where you're going with the whole protection aspect. I feel a certain sense of, hey, I'm not going to let anything harm you. I get that completely. I got to ask you like a tough question.
Is it financially expensive to raise a kid in India? (33:22)
Is this something I discussed with my friends a while back? Is it true that raising kids in India today is like really expensive? Is it like a big financial burden? It can be if what you strive for is quite high. So to give you a sense, our kids go to, well, Vidur at least right now, Usma is too young. Vidur goes to an international school and it is expensive. It is expensive. His annual fees is more than what 30% of people in my startup earn. And it's just the truth. So yes, it is. It is. But again, as I said, we're very privileged. So I shouldn't be, I shouldn't be complaining. But it is expensive. Yes. Um, does it like after you had kids, okay, forget, forget that whole, uh, boy is my friend. Girl is, uh, my, my responsibility. But after you've had kids, do you get, as a man, do you get a certain sense of, okay, now I've got to work even harder or do you get more motivation? Like what happens inside you? Like what does that, you know, they say that. The age that you've experienced in your life, a remnant of that age is always alive within you. So an eight year old uncle would still be alive inside of 40 year old uncle. So that 25 year old, you know, who's all about career and hustle and growth. What is that guy doing inside you now after you've had kids? You know, it's funny you asked this question. It's such a terrific question. Again, Ranveer, I, I, I've gone on the, on the other side. Um, I am someone who is so comfortable with losing everything that we have, including my identity that I would love our kids to also experience it. So in 2016, um, we went through a really bad phase because we, we, we raised money and a lot of money for, for nearby, which is a startup that I founded in 2015. I made some really bad calls, very bad financial decisions. So we very quickly ran out of money. We were fundraising and it was really hard. So we had to, we had to cut down on our, on our salaries. I had to take, and my founders as well, we had to take cuts. We were, we were not making as much money. So it was just a really hard time. And during that time, we were what I would call a classic quintessential urban poor family where we had a house to live in and a car to drive, but we literally had no money in our bank. We literally had no money in our bank. And I distinctly remember it was Vidur's birthday. And for the longest time, he kept saying, I want to cycle. I want to cycle. And he was, he was ready to cycle and, and we wanted to, but believe it or not, we didn't have even have money to buy him a cycle. So we actually had to sell my wife's jewelry to buy him a cycle. And I actually reflect upon that and feel really happy about it because I'm glad that they went through that experience where they saw, and we also experienced it ourselves, that this is where we could get to and get be happy together. And it really doesn't matter. And I think that year brought about that, that realization, you don't need a lot to be happy in life. We just keep buying shit because of our status and because what we think the world will perceive of us. But with my kids, the approach always is we came from nothing. And if we have to go back to nothing, that's perfectly fine. And you will still get to be great individuals. You'll still get wonderful parenting. You'll still get all the love and the care and the comfort that we can provide in whatever means we have. And kya wa if we don't go to an international school. Kya wa if we don't travel in a fancy car. It's okay. So we love that. And I think we're very different in that sense because we love them playing in dirt. We love them just getting themselves drenched in the rain. We love them going on their own to buy bread and anda and sabzi on their own. Like Vidur at 9, he literally goes and does grocery shopping for us. And I love that about him. I love that about the fact that he can literally cycle his way through and go to the sabzi wala and get ada kelo nimbu because we want it. And so he's connected. And I love that because that's how we grew up. That's how that was our upbringing. And in some serendipitous way, if we can still give him glimpses of that, we find that as a good thing. So quite on the contrary, instead of working hard, I'm like, let's just enjoy. Let's just enjoy this journey. Kids are kids are so smart. I don't know when when you left home, I left home when I was 22. I'm convinced that Vidur will leave home when he's like, what, 15. And that means we have like literally five or six years more with him. Uski baad gaya, like it's done. He has his life and he's he's not going to come back in the way that he is today. So we might as well just have a nice happy time with him, whichever manner. Beautiful. What do you think of 2030 for you personally, like considering the fact that your experience in the startup world, you know where the world of business is going, you kind of have an idea.
India in 2030 (39:01)
I know just speaking to you, you're someone who reads a lot. I know you already read about these concepts. At the same time, you're aware of like what's happening now. You're in touch with people like Tanmay and myself using social media. What's your calculation for like the next 10 years of your life? I really don't know. And the best thing is I don't care. Okay. I really don't know. I, I, so when I came back from the US and that was in 2004, long time back, I was, I was heartbroken. It almost felt like a breakup because I was in love with physics and I thought that I will, I will go on to date physics and then we'll get married and then we'll be like in love forever and ever. And it didn't turn out that way. So I like, I committed myself like eight years into this. So just like this angst boy out of a broken relationship, I was like, no more goals and no more targets in life. And that's how I have actually hand on heart been living life ever since Ranveer. I commit myself to habits, but not to goals, not to targets. So I know what I want to do every day. And I know that I want to, I want to read every day. I want to write every day. I want to create every day. I want to speak to people and spend time with smart people every day. But where does it take me? I don't know. And I couldn't care less. What I know is that this approach has held me in good faith tremendously, where I did for the longest times things clinically and in a disciplined fashion. And they just compounded in such a way that it left me amazed at the opportunities that God created. And I'm fairly certain that that will be the case in 2030 as well. But I don't know what that will be. And I've, I set zero expectations from that either. I expect a lot from myself in terms of what I need to do, but not what comes out of it. I think that's where your whole peace vibe is coming from that I said that you kind of, you have this vibe of exuding like peace that's coming from a very internal place in saying that I know a lot of 50 year olds and you know, for that matter, even 60 year olds who don't have that vibe of peace, who probably have a certain amount of regret. I see a lot of 50 year olds actually discouraging a lot of kids.
Nature of life at the of age 50-60 (41:22)
Honestly, all these kids who we talk to off of beer biceps, you know, the kids who watch our videos, who want to become entrepreneurs, it's always the parents who are telling them to kind of play it the old school way, you know, like play it safe, not take risks because that's the time they grew up in. They probably had bad experiences. Even I, when I was starting this journey, so many relatives of mine told me that no worst move ever, worst move ever. It was the best thing I was ever doing for myself. Really what's, what's the nature of life at 50 or 60. Do you think it's, it's full of regret for a lot of people? I know it's mixed. You can't like generalize, but what do you think? I think it's, it's a regret for a lot of people, man. It's a regret for a lot of people. And that sucks. It unfortunately sucks because I think regret is the, is the worst way to end your life. It's possibly the worst way to end your life. And it's unfortunate that so many, so many wonderfully led lives do end up in regret because they just like, what if, what if, what if. So if I were to hazard a guess, I would say most, most people in the 50s, 60s are just full of regret. And that's because they didn't take the risk of probably listening to that conscience somewhere which was telling them that no, do maybe do this different, or it could be circumstantial. You never know. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And it's a lot of people will rationalize it saying I did the right thing for my family. I did the right thing for the situation that it is. And that would be largely true. That would be largely true. But it doesn't take away from the fact that they never did anything for themselves. It's like, as it said, right? The tragedy of life is not death. The tragedy of life is what dies within while you're alive. Oh, that's hurtful and deep at the same time. Wow. That's some intense statement.
Life Observations And Relationships
Ranveers perspective of life (43:40)
But and you know, I see this all around me, man, like, which is why honestly, I think I think when beer biceps and shit started working, initially the zone was a lot of, yeah, that's all me. It was a very WWE wrestler kind of zone, you know, showing my championship. And then very soon I realized that no, no, no, no, no, that's, that's not how this game or this world works. And over the years, that's kind of been blunted down where I feel I've reached a state of zero celebration because there are really lofty goals I've set for myself. And I don't want to bog myself down with celebration. Also I'm trying to practice stoicism, which is what you spoke about that not being bothered by the, uh, highs or the lows. Uh, that's my current answer for how to live out life. But uh, what about, what about people in the seventies and eighties?
Ranveers observation for older people (44:31)
And I'll tell you my version of what I observe. I have a 90 year old granddad who stays with me and I talk to him sometimes about, uh, just his version of spirituality. And he talks about how in the last five years, his health has like plummeted, but his sense of spirituality has increased tremendously. And he was always a God fearing dude, but it, it kind of just got way more amplified. So he's reached a zone in his life where he doesn't even talk much. Like there's not too many words exchange with people. He can barely hear us. But then once in a while, when I have conversations with him, I ask him what goes on in your head, like through the day, what do you think of? And he's like, man, you know, I literally just think of God and I chant like a little bit. And I was, I asked him, did you always start? He's like, no, I don't know. Just started happening. Like, uh, maybe it's some childhood memory that like awakened and he's still sharp in the head. His senses aren't sharp, but he's extremely sharp in that. So just got me thinking about like the nature of life. And now around the same day, I had this conversation with him. Um, now because I'm into the whole meditation, yoga, school of thought, we focus a lot on doing these full day fasts. Okay. Like where you don't, you basically just do a water fast and there's no food that's gone inside your body for 36 hours. So, um, what happens is like towards the end of that day, say 8 PM, 9 PM on that day, you definitely feel a drop in your senses, like the power in your senses. So you can't hear as well. You don't have the energy to speak. Um, your eyesight is also not as good as like it is in a normal circumstance. Like you do feel this blunting of the senses. So could you call that a simulation of old age? Maybe you know, like it mathematically speaking, when you quantify those happenings, that's kind of what old people feel like where everything comes more inward. Also the other big, uh, kind of change that happens on this full day fast is that your meditations can go way deeper because the way for a meditation to go deeper is that you need focus within your meditation session. Uh, we don't tell this to beginner meditators because no one will meditate. But if you've been meditating for a while, it's a game of focus and your focus is tremendous in those meditations because all of your body's energy is not going into digestion, not going into anything like outward, not going into your senses. It's all like inward. So it just got me thinking that I think the way the human body is developed naturally, when you're older, you're meant to kind of naturally transition into things like down things like meditation, things like inward focus, uh, reminiscing or your life reminiscing about the nature of life. So I feel that that 50 year age bracket to about 70 maybe filled with regret mostly maybe filled with like, Oh, I could have done this good. And then after 70, you just start blunting out and you kind of turn inwards. But what do you think of this? Like do you think, I, I, I w not that I have any experience, but from what you laid out, I would be very surprised if that's not the case. You're so true. You're absolutely true. Because you know, when, when there are these bhajans and kirtans, it's all always old people at those. And they also were the kind of people who'd probably make fun of their version of old people saying that area, so old, we've a bhajans and kirtans, but there must be something that they discover that they're like, okay, that's, that's where I want to be now. So, um, I mean, that's their version of good conversations like this. I think anyway, that's my version of it.
What is hyper-old age? (48:03)
What do you think of hyper old age, dude? Like why does life force human beings to like deteriorate like that other than the spiritual aspect of things? Yeah, I, it's something that I, I wouldn't say I actively think about, but it's something that I've been, um, for a very different reason, speaking to a lot of young people and telling them, especially the ones who are like below 20, I tell them, it's quite likely that none of you are ever going to die. Yeah. I get it. It's quite, quite likely that scientifically there'll be enough progress made that you're not going to die naturally. You may get shot or hit by a bus or anything like that and die because of that, but naturally you're not going to, at least my point when I say that is everything that you have come to know about how to live life is thus wrong. Every principle that you know how to live life is wrong. We've been taught one career, one goal, one marriage, two kids, one, this one, that all of that is gone. It's gone. You have to prepare yourself for multiple careers. You have to prepare yourself for multiple relationships. You have to prepare yourself for multiple times, reinventing your own self. And none of you are prepared for that for no fault of yours, but just the fact that the system has not set you up for it. So I feel that growing old is going to get out and becoming a lifelong student is going to come in. And it's just maybe the irrational optimist in me that believes everything that sets us back biologically will somehow be conquered. But what will not be conquered is whatever sets us back emotionally or mentally, because that is not something which goes back to the exact same description that you gave like of the seven levels. And if we know like no med is going to get us to that. It has to be something that we do within. We can inject ourselves with shit and still get back our physical attributes. But what goes on here is a completely different animal. So it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting. The next the next 30, 50 years for this world, I feel are very, very interesting. Yeah. That's that's a very stimulating thought of like multiple jobs that gives everybody the potential to be a multimillionaire or, you know, like if that's how you look at life. I want to ask you specifically about marriage and relationships again, because you are a happily married person.
Thoughts on relationships (50:53)
How long have you been married for now? Now 17 years, 13 years. Wow. We've known each other for now 21 years. We got we got married after seven years and we've been married now 13 years. Nice. So in a 21 year journey, what happens to a relationship, dude? And why are there so many couples who separate? Yeah, I so here is here is my here is my two cents on it. I think separation is inevitable if the growth rates of the individuals is very different. It is bound to happen. It is bound to happen. So and that only happens over time, right? So if you understand the concept of compounding, let's say I grow at 5% every year and my wife grows at 10% every year. And we both start with around about 100. For the first three years, you wouldn't feel much of a difference, right? Because I in the first year become 105. Then I become slightly more than I become. So I am about 117 or by the end of third year, she is at about 124 25 by the end of third year, that's fine. But come five years come seven years, the difference becomes stuck. Like you suddenly start seeing a diverging path, Ja, I'm growing like this, but she's growing like this, whether it's professionally, whether it's personally, whether it's anything else. And I just feel that's that's recipe for for just the inevitable. So I personally feel that a lot of relationships should be about ensuring that you are able to pull up the lower or the slower growth rate person to closer to where the higher growth rate person is. And that almost becomes like the responsibility. It's like the the slowest one will pace the entire crowd. And that's why it's very important for you to if you want to increase the speed of the crowd, you don't increase everyone's speed, you just increase the speed of the slowest one and you automatically see an increase. I feel that relationships are like that. And that's why if the if the husband's working and the wife is not, it becomes a very clear thing because the husband is getting exposed to a lot more, is clearly glowing a lot more, while the wife is just unfortunately stuck in whatever. And there is not enough growth coming in. Or if the wife and the husband used to work, but after kids, the wife stopped working, but the husband continued to. So suddenly after that, there is this diversion growth rate that comes in. So enough, enough and more situations that lead to that. But I think the biggest thing for me is a difference in the growth rate of individuals results in relationships getting hampered. So we've covered the children aspect of it, the wife aspect of it.
What happens to relationships after children are born? (54:11)
What happens to the relationship after the kids are born? Like does it drift? Do they come close together? What happens? Or is it just different for everyone? Yeah, I think that's the that's the hardest part, because if suddenly the onus. So here is the here is the absolute fact. The kid or the child needs the mother more than the father for at least the first two years. And that means by design and biological design, the mom will be a lot busier than the dad. And that is a slippery slope, because if the father is not participative during that time, they could very well feel like the the wife that they had has now just been reduced to a mother and they don't have a wife anymore. Or they could feel like there is no spark anymore. There is no time anymore. There is no appreciation or a conversation anymore. And that's where I feel that fathers bear a far greater responsibility in the first two years of the child towards the relationship than mothers, because mothers full almost full responsibility is towards just rearing the child and attending to it. What is the beauty of marriage like after being married for so long?
Positive aspects of marriage (55:36)
Like I hear a lot of, you know, guys never get married. Don't don't get a life. But it has to be some positive aspect. So what is the positive for me? I can only speak for myself. I think the positive aspect is that my my best friend is my wife. Got it. I we we have the same taste. We have the same world view. We like doing the same things. We we we discuss the same things are. I stand on on on money, on religion, on parenting, on how to live life is pretty much the same. So we just we just have a lot of fun together. We just genuinely have a lot of fun together. And it's brilliant company. It is independent because she has her life and I have mine. But at the same time, it's participative because we are parents to wonderful kids and it's wonderful companionship because it's it's friendship at the core of it, which is why I think what really helped us really was the fact that we got married after seven years of dating. And those seven years we went through a lot. I was in the US. Then I went to the business school. So we of those seven years, we were long distance for for three years and we withstood that. So we knew that there was something in this that that could work and work meaningfully. Yeah, as they say, long distance is the true test of relationship.
Future Perspectives And Mental Health
Is time travel possible? (57:15)
But now, obviously, the next question has to be about time travel, because that's the one thing we haven't covered. So Mr. Warik, after astrophysics studies, do you think that time travel will be possible at any point? I think that the science is the one thing we have to deal with. The laws of physics state that the day the time machine gets made, you start from there. So you can't go back in time beyond the day the time machine started. That's just the law of physics. That's Einstein's theory of relativity. So our only hope in hell to go back to the dinosaur era or to the previous civilizations is that someone had made the time machine already. That's the only way. So I'm just betting on the fact that we are in a simulation and all of this is orchestrated. So at some point of time, we will applaud ourselves for saying that we are the time machine. While it will just be a coder turning on to production one code of the time machine, that will give us the fake illusion that we are the owners and conquerors of time as well now. So since this whole episode has turned out to be the nature of life, that's what I think the topic would be. That's what I think the title would be. The question is like out of all your studies, is there any science fiction style discoveries that mankind is going to make in the next 10-20 years, which will change the way humans live other than the fact that, you know, what's it called bio?
Next 20-30 years of existence (58:46)
Biohacking? Yeah, like other than biohacking where you can extend your lifespan and all other than that, is there other things that will happen in the next 10-20 years? I think in the next 20 years, there are, in my opinion, the likelihood of these three things happening. We are definitely going to meet intelligent life form outside of earth. Absolutely. Number two, interplanetary travel and perhaps even settlement will become a reality. And number three, we will begin to have machines inside of us for virtually everything that we need. Whether it is predicting what we are suffering from or telling us when we should get up or telling us that this is the vitamin or mineral or protein that is lacking in our diet today or telling us that the person in front of you is Ranveer who runs a successful business and is a successful influencer without me even speaking. All of those machines, rather skills as I call it, will be implanted in us. It's like Alexa. Alexa today has skills so she can answer questions. Imagine an Alexa in here which is just driven by our thoughts and our telepathy. Wow, that's beautiful. And I also feel that, I mean, human beings are going to achieve the heights in terms of their own physical evolution. If you may like, we'll be able to engineer better looking kids and you know, stronger human beings and all that. But the real question is then what will be the big human challenge? And as of now, I can only think of like say mental health and spiritual health and maybe like for lack of a better word, romantic health. And that's going to be like the area of focus in terms of how do we improve these things? But what do you think? What do you think will be the next big challenge? No, I totally agree with you here. It's like if you go back to the 1970s and you saw someone running on the streets of New York, you would stop them and ask them, why are you running? And they're like, I'm running for my health. And they're like, are you crazy? Like who does that? So the same thing is happening right now with meditation where people I know is just a fad, you don't do it, etc. But meditation is going to become mainstream just as running is today, just as playing a sport is today. It'll become a life form. It will be something that we brush our teeth and we go for a run because we know it's important. So we'll brush our teeth and we will meditate because we know it's important. And that I feel at least I hope so, but I genuinely feel that in the next 10, 20 years, mental health is just going to become mainstream. It's just going to become so normalized, just the way physical fitness is today, where people will still choose whether to do it or not. And they will know it's the right thing to do. Like in tabhi, bhaatsaar elob nahi karenge. But it won't be like, Oh my God, this is what you're doing. Are you crazy? It's like, I wish I could do it as well. So it's like that. I wish I could have therapy. I wish I could be mentally at peace. I wish I could meditate and people will then just not look at it in the way that they look at it today. You meditate as well? I do. I do every day. So how much of a link do you observe between your meditation and your mental health?
Link between mental health and meditation (01:02:48)
I think a large part of it here, it's very hard to find a direct linkage because there's so many other moving parts. But I think that the fact that I start my day very early and I start with meditation for at least 30 minutes, it just centers me in very meaningful ways because I just realized that I connect with myself in such a meaningful, strong manner that very little during the day can then perturb me. Whether it's a troll on social media, whether it's bad news, whether it's anything that's not gone my way, you're like, "Kot bhat nahi hai." It's just pieces and parcels of the same journey and you just move on. I think a large part of my composure comes from meditation for sure.
His purpose on social media (01:03:45)
My final question of this whole podcast is why are you on social media? What is the intention? Because it obviously isn't like, "Oh, I want to run this as a startup." That's why a lot of young people take it up to build out their digital brands. But I see you doing it for other reasons. What is this whole social media game you're playing? My social media game Ranveer is with the intention of spreading awareness. Here's what I mean by that. I realized that a lot of people, including myself when I was young, we make choices in life from a point of ignorance and not awareness. We make choices in life not because we know every other choice and thus we're making this choice. We make choices in life because we don't know any other choice and this is the only choice we have. That just is unfortunate, especially in today's world. Everything that I speak about is always from the point of awareness. Did you know? Did you know? Did you know? And it's like you can speak about facts. Did you know? Or you could speak about how could you go about thinking? And that's what at least I delve in. Most of my content just forces people to think. I don't give out the answers. I'm not prescriptive. I hate giving out prescriptions because who am I to give out prescriptions? But I love to discuss how I thought about or I think about the same things and that's when I share it with them. The hope in hell is that they also get some sort of a framework or a guiding force to think about the same things when they encounter them. That's the intention. No outcome. I don't know where this will take. I don't know whether one day I'll just switch off all the social media channels and be like done. It's over. It's like I'm always reminded of just what was that Tom Hanks movie? Castaway? No, no, no. The one in which he changes. He's part of the world's greatest events and he doesn't even. Forrest Gump. Thank you so much. Forrest Gump. How could I forget? It's like it's the exact same thing in Forrest Gump when he starts running. He starts running and he keeps running and then there is a community that goes behind him and they're also running. No one knows why he's running and everyone's attaching different agendas to it. And one day, one fine day, he just stops. And he's like, I'm done. And it could very well be me. It could very well be me. I picture myself like that quite often. That's beautiful. I do feel that there's a lot to gain from you. And I feel like the main kind of learning of an entire generation is going to happen through the internet. So I feel you're one of those key people in that going forward. So don't stop. Probably start a podcast at some point. I will. Keep doing the same. You're an inspiration. So I'll pick you out on that and definitely start. Right back at you. I have been studying a lot about you and there's actually a lot of things I want to ask you offline off of camera. But for now I'm going to be linking your handles, your page down below and Ankur any last signing of notes for the listeners?
Last message (01:07:03)
No, I, I, I always say one thing Ranveer and this is, this is my biggest stand. Just make sure that you don't live life on someone else's definition of success. Form your own definition of success and thus form your own definition of failure. And if you are to do that, that'll be the best gift you can give yourself. Beautiful. Thank you, Mr. Warikoo for being on the, Thank you, Mr. Ranveer. You were a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for your thoughtful questions. It's always a joy to listen to you. And it's been an incredible experience being part of your podcast. Thank you. I'm glad you had fun. I'm sure we're going to be doing a lot more episodes on aliens, time travel and other such awkward topics, but we will, we'll do this again. Totally. Absolutely. Thank you.