@ArmaanMalikOfficial's Inspiring Journey From Bollywood To International Pop | The Ranveer Show 74 | Transcription

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Introduction (00:00)

There was a phase where I came back from a show crying into my room. And I told my mom and dad like I cannot do these shows and I cannot sing these songs anymore. I'm tired. Same songs I'm singing night after night, same lyrics. The audience may be liking it because they've heard me for the very first time but I'm singing it for the nth time. And I'm done with this. This is not what's inspiring me. I know these songs have made me Armaan Malik but like to hell with this. I don't want to do any more shows and I took a break from everything. Mr. A to the M Armaan Malik in the house. What's up? In my house. In your house. Dude, I want to talk about your story, also talk about aspects of you that I think I'm fortunate enough to know. But I think that the world doesn't know. I'm ready man. You just bring it on. I'm ready to talk about a lot of stuff. So while we are going to begin with your Saare Gama story, I want to know. I have a lot of questions from that part of your life. We're also going to go into who you are today. Are you planning to go abroad and live there and create English music? What are you thinking about life in general? Because I personally feel you're a really woke dude. And woke dudes usually think in like 20 places. It's a good thing. Correct. What's your earliest memory of getting into this whole singing zone dude?

Journey Towards Fame And Overcoming Challenges

Earliest singing memory (01:31)

Like did it come naturally to you? So I was like around 4 when I like instead of talking properly I was singing. I don't know how that happened. When my parents saw that and they were like, you know, I think this guy has some singing talent in him. We should put him for classes. And then they enrolled me in Indian classical classes. And for a year I was training at Suresh Vadkar's Institute. But it was a fabulous class but way beyond my age. So I kind of went back there after a few years to learn stuff. And I knew that I could grasp that. But then I went to a teacher called Rita Kaul. And she is a Kashmiri lady. And she is the guru that has made me who I am today. Yeah. She is the one who kind of put all those grains in my voice. Got me to sing the way I do today. Got me to be a singer that could sing playback for movies. Because being a classically trained singer sometimes can be disadvantageous. When you are trying to sing film songs. Because the kind of training that you have as a classical vocalist might not translate. It restricts you somewhere? Not restricts you. When you are singing a film-y song. When you are singing for heroes. You need a different kind of an approach. You need a different kind of dynamic. And I think heavy classical training. I did like classical. I had semi classical. But I didn't do heavy classical. Because I didn't want my voice to sound so hard. I needed that little bit of softness for the screen for playback singing. And that's how my teacher also my guru planned to kind of teach me in that way. So I would grow up to be a playback singer. At 8, at 15, at 20, at 25. I have had different Arman Malik versions of my voice. So what's your like saare gama memory?

Memories from Sa Re Ga Ma Pa (03:37)

Like when you are coming on TV as a kid. Like how old were you 10? I was 9 and I turned 10 on the show. What's that memory like? Dude you are just like out there for the nation to see. You are putting your talent out. So I think my dad wasn't very keen on me participating on a reality show. He was wanting me to do my education and my studies and stuff like that. He being from the film industry. He didn't want me to get into music so early on. And me and my mom were of another thought. We were like you know why don't we go, why don't we try and let's see where you stand as a vocalist. Because till then I had sung for like inter school competitions and I had done fairly well there. And I was like wanting to challenge myself and be like okay I have done these state level things. Why not try a national level thing and see where I stand in the country. Was it a good decision like when you look back? It was a great decision even though I didn't make it past top 7. I was in the top 10 finalists but it was a great decision for me because I learnt so much. I was not the singer that I should have been when I was on that show. Like I was under trained to be very frank. I don't think I was at the level of the other singers on that show. They were much more experienced. They had sung live before and this was my first time singing on such a big stage in front of a TV audience. And then obviously almost every household in India is seeing you. Because Sare Gama Pa is one of those shows that people see those shows. So for me it was pretty scary but I had to go through that to learn how to be a better singer. I think as soon as I got out of that show I worked so hard. As soon as that show got over I knew where exactly I was lacking and I trained in that department and strengthened myself as a singer. So here is something I have not told you before though I have met you once or twice.

Getting bullied for being famous (05:39)

You saw me on Sare Gama. No dude I was like a video game addict as a kid and didn't watch much TV but I will tell you this dude. You were in Jamnabai Narsi and I have a lot of friends from there. I am not very familiar with the whole Bollywood scene in general. But I remember them telling me about you when I was in engineering college. And these guys said things like dude there were people who would pick on you just because you were famous. Or who bullied you just because you were famous. And you were one of those dudes who ended up having a lot of girl attention so probably that became a problem for a lot of dudes. And I was at this party actually where some Jamnabai people were like I am going to be straight up dude. You know how people generally bitch about someone. So that bitching thing was going on about you. And that got me thinking dude poor kid. He is probably training and doing his own thing. And then he has to come back to school and deal with all this shit. So what was that phase of your life? Do you remember that? And do you remember fame coming in as another factor from this side? From the other side you are getting aggression because people are jealous of you. I very well remember that and it's because of that phase of my life that I was almost going to leave singing. The bullying had gotten very bad in school. I was in the 6th or 7th grade I think when it started. And I was on this show. I was on national television. My school was very proud of me that I was representing Bombay and representing them on such a big scale. And there were vote for Arman Hodings all around school. So I was pretty famous and obviously girl attention happened because when you are famous it happens. I think it's because at that age I think every guy is just seeking for girl attention. And they were like okay why is this guy getting it. I saw that these guys were getting affected with the fame that I was getting. Getting insecure. And somehow there was an atmosphere of jealousy and hatred. And they started doing things to me. They started putting shit into my bottle. My water bottle. And so whenever I used to come back from PT class I wanted to grab my bottle and drink it. And there was all crap in it. Like they had done some masti with it or whatever. And it's just one of those instances I think. I can't really remember all of it. It's gone to a very deep seated part of my head because I've tried to forget about it. But it hurt me so much that I wanted to leave singing. And I expressed that to my mom. And my mom told me that that's the one thing that if you leave then they'll win. That's the one thing that you shouldn't leave. That's the one thing that if you hold and keep it and become who you want to and who you should be. And are destined to be. All this will be behind you. You won't even care about this in the future. I have to ask you a glaring question.

Baggage of bullying in adulthood (08:43)

Bullying carries itself into adulthood also dude. It does. For a lot of people. For me ever since I became successful I saw all those same people who used to bully me. And trying to be my friends again. Trying to be pally with Arman again. Like hey what's up. Long time bro. Yeah. You know all that has happened with me. And I also played along with it. I was not like I'm holding any grudges and all. But I forgive but I don't forget. I know at the back of my head who has treated me how. But I don't hold it against anyone. I know I've gone above that. It's no more a part of me. But it dented me in a very big way. In a way where I stopped making friends after that. I stopped interacting with people. I stopped wanting to be a friend of someone. Because I thought everyone is going to do this to me. Everyone is going to bully me. Someone or the others going to do something to me which is negative or which is bad. So better not interact with people. I became a recluse kind of a thing. My own thing. Music. For 10 years straight only music. Only studies. Only music. Music music music. Achieve what I need to. Because I just need. I concentrated only on singing. Took my whole attention off of it. So social life went for a toss. Because I wasn't really meeting people. Wasn't going out. And my job demanded me to be in the recording studio. Quite a bit. So I missed out on all the parties. And hanging out with people and stuff like that. Dude speaking of the recording studio.

Handling pressure at 19 (10:26)

Again something I've thought about you a lot is that you began at I think age 19. 18-19 is where you began properly professionally? As an adult playback singer yeah. Dude and usually for most Indian guys especially at age 22 you hit this like wall where suddenly there's societal pressure on you to earn money and do something with your life. Most Indian guys. Or at least to make a name for yourself. And I remember going through that same phase at 22 and the first 2-3 months of that phase before YouTube and all that started were pretty intense. Because lots of you are telling you shit won't work out. What you're doing is wrong. It happens to all the boys in office also. All the girls also at that age. Correct. And then it takes something from inside you to like kind of overcome and keep working. Yeah. Then you straight up I wouldn't be able to handle all that shit at 18 or 19. So I want to know what you did then dude. Like as a teenager you're suddenly thrown in the limelight. You didn't actually go for a college degree right? So I was in first year BMM. And I was doing it not from a place where I want to do BMM or whatever. I was like that's the only thing that made sense to me at that point in time. Because I wanted to concentrate on my music. So FI BMM I was there inside college. I was hanging out as a normal teenager when I was working on my debut album Arman.

Life changing summer at Berkley University (11:47)

Okay so we need to backtrack a little bit before I went to college. I had got a scholarship to do a 5 week summer program at Berkeley College of Music in Boston. And that's one of the best colleges of music that is ever in the world. And I got honors in that and I realized that you know I want to do English music. I want to do pop music. And that okay Bollywood is there but like that's not my calling. Got it. And as soon as I came back home to Bombay after completing the course. I started making my own songs. Starting writing my own lyrics. And my dad saw me doing that and he was like what are you doing? I was like dad I want to create my own album. Like are you sure? I don't think India my album artists those vibes I don't think it's going to work. Because Bollywood is Bollywood. You got to be a Bollywood singer if you want to do anything. I was like no dad this is my dream I want to do this. But dad sat me down and said do the Bollywood route become someone really really big in India. And then tomorrow you can think of doing something like this. Which makes sense to me now. But at that age I'm like wait why is my dad telling me to not do something that I'm so passionate about. But India is Bollywood it was consumed with only film music. So I kind of dropped my dreams of doing a pop album. I did my pop album but it was in Hindi I wanted to do an English one. But I did a Hindi pop album with Universal. I signed a deal with them at the age of 17. Which was a very big deal. It's a dream label to be signed to when you're a teenager. Justin Bieber signed to Universal in America. So for me. Is that the first step for like a young single like to get into that world?

First step towards singing (13:35)

That you can sign up with a label? I mean it is exciting as an artist to be signed to a label. Only to know that in the future you need to be independent. But I think initially it's great to be a label artist. You get to know about the industry. You get to know the inner workings. How a label artist relationship happens. How is music curated. So I worked on my album. I was about to release it in 2013. It got pushed to 2014. My mom told me being the marketing person she is.

Approaching Salman Khan for his debut (14:11)

That we need a Bollywood name to release this album. Because otherwise no one is going to listen to albums. Who listens to albums? I don't think so. Anyone who's listening to albums in 2014. And we were thinking of putting it out in the CD format. And it will be available in stores and all. I don't think anyone went out to buy at that point of time. It used to happen in the 90s. But I still went ahead and did it. But my mom told me you need someone to launch it. You need a Bollywood personality to launch it. So the only person we could think of. Who I think made sense at that point of time was Mr. Salman Khan. So we went and met him. He was in his vanity van. My dad has worked with him for many films. For many Bollywood movies. And he was very hesitant that I go and meet him with this album. He was like why bother someone else like this and ask for him to be part of it or whatever. So my mom's like no I think it will be a good step for our son or whatever. So me and my mom we went to his set. He was shooting an advertisement there. And we waited for quite some time. And when he came to his vanity van I gave him my CD and said. So I created this album. I would like you to hear it. And in his typical style he said let's hear it. So we heard the album and he said I like it. It's nice. But I like this song the most. And that song was a song called Love You Till The End. It was the only English song on the album. So I wanted one English song somehow or the other. And he's like I want that to be a Hindi song in my Bollywood movie. The next one which is coming. And I was like so that's in my album. I don't know how I can remove it from my album and put it into a movie. He's like don't worry I want it. So it so happened that one of my songs from my debut non-film album. So I was not thinking of Bollywood at that point of time at all. I was not thinking of doing playback singing nothing. I was only thinking of releasing my music non-film. That's it like independent space. That song went into Jay Ho which was his movie in 2014. And that's how my debut as an adult playback singer happened at the age of 18. That's crazy. And he in turn came to my album launch and launched my album. And that kind of gave it a big noise and people heard about it and heard the songs and stuff like that. Dude while this is destiny this is also this thing called power of asking which is a very underutilized thing.

Power of asking (16:57)

I think you know you got to be okay this is what my mom taught me. And even my manager Ayushman both are of the thought and both are amazing marketing minds. My mom is key to me okay. Whoever I have become today is because of her pushing her telling me do this do that. She has always told me be shameless and ask for it. Max to max kya hoga nahe bo linga na log. Okay no problem but at least you've asked. And if that was a yes that means you've got something. So I think you have to be shameless and you've got to ask. And sometimes 100 no's are worth that one yes you'll get. For sure. For sure. I think a lot of people you know are so scared. I was also very scared like I don't want to ask mom it doesn't seem good like it's not it doesn't feel good to ask someone for work. Like no ask. What is the harm in asking? Dude this is also this whole concept of status driven societies versus well driven societies. India is primarily a status driven society. But if you ask for it my status will get affected. That's why a lot of people don't ask. Exactly katra te lo. Like if we ask we might seem like a lesser of a person or whatever it is. It's not that you're just you're talented you have certain things that are going for you. You want a certain thing from that person who you're asking this thing for. And if you don't ask you won't get. And if you never try you'll never know Coldplay's biggest line and fix you. So it's as simple as that.

Flip side of his debut (18:33)

I was launched in Bollywood in a big way. Flip side of that is that the movie tanked. Does that affect your music? The music also tanked. Music didn't do well at all. Wasn't popular. Didn't catch on with people. So it was touted as my big debut. Amal's big debut because he had composed Love You Till The End that track which became part of the movie. And both of us for a year and a half were without work after that movie. Because obviously no one wants to work with someone who's had the big debut but the music didn't catch on. How many singles fade away like that dude? There are many. You don't get too many chances in especially in Bollywood. It's a cutthroat. It is very cutthroat. It is you either you make it or you don't make it. I'd hate to say that. I hate to say it. But I think it's you work a lot. You have to put in that hard work but that little sprinkle of luck is very important. I believe in that and you either get that little sprinkle or you don't get it. I mean there has to be some formula.

His formula for breaking out (19:40)

I mean I was just talking to you outside right now and you're telling me about what you're thinking about streaming platforms and future businesses. And what you thought of and what your mom has told you. So you have an analytical head. You are an engineer in your head somewhere. Yeah I guess I am. I think I'm a musical mathematician in my brain thinking what's the next step. A mathematician in the world of musical business. Yeah exactly. What did you do in that one and a half years that helped you break out? Okay so for me as a singer it gave me a lot of recognition. I gained a lot of fans from Jeho. My social media started blowing up. I started getting a lot of followers. I was on Twitter. I had just joined Instagram. So I started getting a lot of traction. People started following me and all. It was very tough for my brother. Because once you debut as a big music composer and me and my brother's careers are linked in a way. Because for us we both were just waiting and wanting to get our family up there. Because for a long time I think we had seen a lot of failure on dad's end. The success that he should have gotten he didn't get. So what has his role been in Amal and your life and have Amal and you ever had a conversation where you're like.

Taking up his father’s responsibilities (20:49)

Dude we gotta stick together and do something. Yeah so dad actually had this very open conversation with Amal and me and said. Guys I think my time is done in this industry. I don't think my musical career is gonna hold on from here on. And if you guys want to make a name for yourself in this industry. You all got to start working and assisting people. Assisting as in? Like learning the job. We didn't know like you know what learning music is different. And actually being in the music industry and learning how music songs are made. And how you sing in the studio is a very different ballgame altogether. Like how they say you learn more hands-on and on the job. Than you can ever learn from universities or courses or whatever it is. Theory versus practical. Yeah always when you're doing the job you learn the most. So I think dad pushed Amal to assist composers. And I was anyway singing for a lot of composers. So I had a lot of technical knowledge in the studio and how to sing in the studio. I've done voiceovers, jingles all of that. Like for almost 200 commercials. So that was a very very big space for me until the age of 13 or 14 when my voice cracked. And they didn't want any any teenage voices. They wanted only kid voices. From there on my different journey had begun. So yeah dad sat us down and told us that I don't think from here on my career is going to do anything. You guys need to take the responsibility and move this thing forward. And at the age of 15 for Amal and me at 10 to hear that from dad. Was like dude we gotta get shit done. We gotta you know pull our socks up and take responsibility. And money wasn't that good in the family at that point of time. Dad was doing two three things here, here, there like some projects. But it wasn't it wasn't a strong it wasn't we weren't financially strong at that point of time. So Amal started assisting and doing his bit. I started doing recordings whatever was coming into the house. That's the atmosphere I grew up in and I think I matured very early because of that. When I started working, when I started earning, when I started seeing what am I spending on. Because you're surrounded by older people? No no because I saw I became involved in earning for the family so early on. Like I realized that okay if I'm doing these many recordings this much is coming into the family. So that was a big deal big responsibility on my shoulders at the age of 11 and 12. And I matured like overnight I think even today at the age of 25. I don't think I'm mentally 25. I'm much beyond because I've seen a lot of my parents journey, my journey so up close and so early on. Which I don't think any every kid like you said after 22 is when they think like okay what's going on? I was since the age of 10 doing it and living it. So for me my mental state was very very different. And we had to we had to get the family on track which we worked very hard to do. And when this whole thing happened and when the songs didn't do well. Amal was very disillusioned. He was like you know the next thing that I do if it doesn't work I'm quitting the industry. And I was like dude we just started you can't think like that. He's like no no I know it I have to give my best now and if the next project doesn't click. I don't think I'm going to stay anymore than this. I'll do some business some side business. And the next project came in the form of Naina.

Evolution Of A Successful Music Career

Songs that defined his career (24:52)

There was a song called Naina from the movie Khop Surat. And it we finished recording the song just two days before it released. Wow. And in two nights we created Naina from Khop Surat and we put that out and we got a fab reaction. From fans and everyone and people loved that song. The movie did well. Amal got that boost that you know I think there's there's still something you know there. So at that point of time both of us are having this journey together. Even though he's a composer I'm a singer but we were living this dream together. And then he got the chance to do Suraj Duba Hai from Roy. Which was I think the career defining life defining moment for the Malik family. It wasn't my song I wasn't the singer of it Arijit Singh had sung it. But what that song did for our family I don't think I don't think any other song has done that. Does music work like that as an industry where like one piece of art can like this?

How one song can change a musician’s life (25:49)

Oh yeah oh yeah one song can just change everything for you man. It's in terms of you get opportunities recognition numbers. Everything you get it's a whole rounded success. It's like it's doing killing it on the charts. It's you're getting amazing fans on social media. The traction is amazing. You're getting awarded you know you're getting film fair awards. You're getting all the big music awards for that. It changed everything for us overnight. This is typically that example of overnight success takes years to build. Yeah exactly I mean if you would ask Amal at the time of Jay Ho. He was at the brink of giving up his career. He was like no I don't think I want to do this. He was assisting composers at that point of time. He didn't want to become a composer. He was he became an accidental composer. And then after that album didn't do well. He's like maybe this is not what I'm cut out for. But then when that song became so big Suraj Dubai. I think all of us just as a family were like we got this. We can do this and you know you just need that one little bit of success. And then that energy comes on to everything that follows after that. And from there on we had two three years of like continuous snowballing. Bangers like songs coming out left right center killing it on the charts. I started touring in 2014 is when I did Jay Ho. 2016 I did my world tour in US and UK. Played Wembley in London which was a dream venue for any artist. So for me life changed supersonic in those two years. But that whole journey of becoming Arman Malik wasn't just those two years which a lot of people see. I mean a lot of people just think Jay Ho made a debut. Then 2016 he went on his world tour and he got these many songs and awards and recognition. But it's this back story that a lot of people don't know that there's been a build up of 10 to 12 years.

Dream of establishing worldwide (27:56)

Dude so what I like is when we grew up you know we looked at people like Sonu Nigam or KK, Audeet Narayan. And they become established playback singers in Bollywood and it kind of caps off there. Correct. And from the outside that's the assumption most people make about the music industry. That once you become a good established playback singer you cap off. Self life comes out. Then you know it becomes stagnant. But why did you say that no I'll be that first Indian guy who will like go and create waves abroad also. Is that from that your original dream of Berkeley? Yes. So I'll tell you one thing. While all this madness was happening of Boldona Zara, Mehu Hero Tera, all my big Bollywood hits. The Andar Ka Arman was like wait I want to still do my pop music. I want to do my English music. I want to do international stuff. I want to do stuff globally. Write my own songs. What's the thought behind that? The thought is you get to be more involved in those kind of songs than you would ever get to be on a Bollywood track. Like in a Bollywood song a composer calls you. He's written, he's composed a song. A lyric writer sung it and you just come sing and go. Vaha you're the creator. Yeah and in this scenario I'm getting to create the song. I'm getting to choose what mood I want the song in. What is the video like? What is my image like? What am I being portrayed as? What are the clothes I'm wearing in the video? All of that and that is exciting for me. I want to become an artist and not just a playback singer. I took this route so that I could become this. What my dad had initially told me that you know become a successful artist in India. Become a star in your own country before you try to become a star abroad. So I think it was very sensible of him to drill that into me at that age. But this inside ka real Arman who wanted to come out was waiting. Was dormant for some time and then became very active towards 2017. And that's where I got. There was a phase where I came back from a show crying into my room. And I told my mom and dad like I cannot do these shows and I cannot sing these songs anymore. I'm tired. Same songs I'm singing night after night. Same lyrics. The audience may be liking it because they've heard me for the very first time. But I'm singing it for the nth time and I'm done with this. This is not what's inspiring me. I know these songs have made me Arman Malik but like to hell with this. I just want to I don't want to do any more shows and I took a break from everything. And did what? Just went traveling. So I wanted to take this trip to do some self-discovery to kind of understand who I was inside. Because unless you understand who you are you can't put that out to the world is what I think. And at that point of time I was very confused about who I was. Was I a Bollywood singer wanting to do this for the rest of my life like Sonu Nigam, like Shaan, like KK and all these amazing singers. Or was I wanted wanting to become a pop artist a world global musical icon. And that was my dream. While Bollywood has been such a big part of my career I am Arman Malik because of that. I would never want to lose that from my identity. Even today if you see I'm doing English songs but on the side I have my Hindi songs happening. I have my Bollywood film songs happening. But the true artist inside me is craving to be something that he's wanted to do for a very long time and I wanted to search that. I wanted to search that truth inside of me and that's why I took that whole break and went traveling. And it gave me a lot of peace, a lot of internal peace. And when I came back I resumed my Bollywood shows whatever I was doing. I was happy with it. I guess I just needed that little bit of self-realization, little internal thinking. Like how do you break into the American market or how do you begin that process of becoming an international artist while you're in India?

Process of becoming an international artist (31:42)

It's very very tough to be honest. I just like any other artist you would think that just like how there's Universal Music, Sony Music, Warner Music in US. There are Indian counterparts of them also here. There's Universal Music India, there's Sony Music India, everyone in India. I thought maybe I'll take my English songs and go to the Indian counterparts and be like "Hey this is my English pop songs". Do you think you can speak to your global partners and be like "Hey we have this guy Armaan Malik in India who sings and writes in English and he wants to do a global single or album or whatever it is. What do you think of it?" I thought that that's what the route was and I went to quite a few Indian labels, played them my music but didn't see any headway. They were not sure of how to have that conversation with their superiors in US. And then I realised like I think maybe I just go to the land where it all happens rather than be here and think that it's going to happen from here. You went to LA? I went to LA. I went to LA but there's a little backstory to that as well. I met a friend in Bombay who was a songwriter. Her name is Natanya, a very dear friend of mine now. She's collaborated on all my stuff up until now. And I met her at Cinemax and she happened to tell me that "Hey I'm in town for a week. Do you want to catch up and write some songs?" And she came over the next week and we wrote a couple of songs and she told me that "Dude this is not stuff that needs to be hidden in India. This needs to go global." When she heard me sing and write and stuff like that. And that's where she told me "Why don't you come for a week to LA? Just see how it goes. Write a few songs with some of my writer friends and producer friends there and just see how the process is." I somehow feel like she came into my life probably as a blessing or something as a catalyst to make something happen. And I believe in that. I believe there are certain individuals that come and be part of your life that help you follow your dreams. And I think she's one of those individuals in my life. And she told me "Why don't you come to LA for a week and let's write together with my friends and whatever and see how it goes. It might not lead anywhere. Just come and do something." And I went there, wrote a couple of songs, came back, six months, nothing. I was doing my Bollywood shows again, my concerts, my songs here and all. One day I get a call. There's an Indian dude. His name is Ankith and he has a music label in Sweden, in Stockholm. And he has quite a few friends working in Universal, Sony, abroad. And he happened to hear this demo music that I'd created for a week in LA. And he passed it on to some of these executives in these big labels. And one of them showed interest and that individual was David Massey. He's the head of Arista Records, which is a very legendary record label in the US and rests under Sony Music. He was going to London for the Brit Awards and he told me that "Hey, why don't you come and meet me there?" And he's the guy who launched Jonas Brothers. He's the guy who signed Shawn Mendes. So it's coming from there. When you hear someone of that stature listening to your music and saying like, "Hey, this is some amazing stuff. I would love to hear more about you and see where this goes." You kind of get that. It feels right. It feels right because see, honestly, you might play your English music to your Indian friends and Indian people and they might not know how to react or whatever. They listen to English music of the Western artists and they might not know how to react it coming from you. But for them, when they hear it and always there's this notion that Indian singers don't get English singing right. They don't get the pronunciation right. They come out as wannabe. That was something that I wanted to squash. I didn't want that imagery only for an Indian artist. I know there are so many Indian artists who sing English beautifully, but that notion is that if you don't speak English in India, you won't get it. I didn't want that to happen because there are amazing singers in India. And I was like, you know, I want to break that. And if I do this right now, there'll be a lot of singers behind me who will want to take this journey. And inspired by my journey, they'll have confidence in taking that journey forward because they are squashing their dreams of singing English to sing Hindi now because people are telling them, "No, you don't sound good singing in English." So I wanted to change things not only for myself. I didn't want to just chase my dreams. I wanted to change the way people thought in India as well. You know, people never gave that much importance to Western pop or pop music in India. It was only film music happening or there's completely indie music happening, which there's not a big audience for that. I was like, why isn't there mainstream pop happening? Where is the pop culture? Where are Indian pop stars? There are Punjabi pop stars, but there's no one who is singing in Hindi or in English. But is and is a pop star from India. I didn't see that happening. I was like, this is a gap that needs to be filled and there needs to be an army of Indian singers out there in the world to do this. And this was my dream. And then I went to meet that executive in London and he chatted for a bit and I inked a deal with Sony Music Global. At the same time, I realized that, you know, a lot of these Indian labels didn't know how to go about it. The same companies, Sony Music and Universal and everyone. But when the whole global thing happened and when, you know, they realized that, wow, our mother label has signed, Arman and like this is this is a big deal. This is India's moment. So sometimes it takes a little bit of a U-turn life. You know, they might not see the dream as you presented to them. But when they see the whole picture now, I have the most beautiful working relationship with the Sony Music India team here in India, which they actually at that point of when I played them a music initially, they didn't understand the vision of what was happening because it's never happened in India before. There is no one who has tried to break out globally. And there is because there's no precedent. People are scared. What do we do? What is the route to take? Because there's no there's no case study. There's no one who's done this before that we can learn from and kind of work that into action.

Taking the global route (38:50)

What were your f*** ups like in that journey, like from India to the West? I think it was learning. There was no f*** ups. Like not doing it earlier? No, I think it was a perfect timing. I think it was the absolute perfect timing to have made the switch over. And, you know, Hindi music, English music, all kinds of music was having its moment in India. Listeners were exploding. Streaming platforms are coming into India in a big way. Consumers, listeners were getting so many variety of genres to listen to. People listening to so many different artists. I thought this is the perfect time to kind of do something internationally because global giants like Spotify have now come to India and set up shop. Amazon music happened. So if they are coming here, that means they have sensed a certain business opportunity here. There is a market here. There's something that can be made out of India. There's something here. So I was like, okay, these shifts are happening. India is being looked at as one of the most important markets in the world today. Not only from probably other fields, but I know only my musical field. So I know from a musical and entertainment field, it's becoming a hub. A hub. Just by the sheer numbers we have here, the kind of people who consume, the number of people that consume our music here. So I was like, this is the perfect time for anyone to do this shift. And then this whole control happened in my first single and I got featured at Times Square on the spotify billboard. And that was just unreal for my first single to have that kind of a look. It was fabulous. That's that Berkeley kid's dream man. Yeah, man. It's like, you know, when that song released, when Control released and it was available on all these platforms, I was jumping like a kid. And I've had 250 plus songs released in different languages. And I never felt that excitement. Like I felt like this is my first song ever. I felt that energy, that excitement, that childish happiness. And I think it somehow was the realization of my childhood dreams, my teenage dreams that came true. And if you really manifest it and you really want it to happen, it does happen. Toda le toa lekin, I think, gray toa. Kind of unrelated to music, but I have this one burning question.

Learnings from the western professional space (41:25)

What can the Indian professional space learn from the Western professional space? Like what were your differences? Is it Jugaad also? In some ways? No, I think they're very collaborative. We aren't very collaborative here. We're learning to be. But inherently, I think we always have this notion or that thought. Why is he going ahead of me? Yeah. And woh apna kar ra usko apna karne toh hum apna karenge. Never like what if me and him do something together or me or her do something together and hum jo eksaat karenge, that will do really, really well and that will benefit both of us. That kind of thinking is not there here, which is now happening. Obviously, you're doing collabs with other creators. It's that same about status driven society versus well-driven society. That's been the theme of my life. It's crazy. I mean, it's for me, when I started working in the West with these producers and writers, I had a lot of unlearning to do. You know, there was these years of Indian learning that I had. Like what? Like, can you talk about? Like, probably being in charge of everything, you know, like my ye bhi karunga, woh bhi karunga, ye bhi karunga. There it's more like, okay, we're going to do this. Let's, okay, this line is coming from this dude. That person is doing the guitar part or whatever. Everyone's putting their ideas in. Here it's like composers composing, lyric writers writing his lyrics. I'm coming and doing my singing and that's it. Everyone's slotted. There it is like whoever comes up with the best idea, we want that. Even if a guy who's like just scribbling on his notepad and comes up with one word, which becomes the hook of the song. That's a genius idea coming from someone and everyone welcomes different ideas from different individuals there in that one room. I think it's a great synergy. Yeah. Like again, it's like for the overall good, they focus on like your end product and not Exactly. They focus on getting the song in the best possible manner. Be it whoever gives the idea. It doesn't need to be like, oh mein nahi ki hai gaana. Like I've done it.

Experiences And Beliefs About The Universe

Ego clashes in Indian music space (43:40)

Do you think like too many egos are massaged in the creative industry and that's why the end product kind of takes a hit? Because that's what I feel in our space for sure. Yeah. There's too much ego in the Indian space, in the Indian industry. Everyone wants like things for themselves. Be like, okay, I want the success for me. It should not go to them. It's not about, oh, what if we get shared success? That's never the scenario. That's never the thought process. Everyone's like me, me, me. Why is that guy going ahead? What is he doing? So always in that lens and never has it been about collaboration and never has it been about like, hey, why don't we all create something amazing together? Dude, which is also the other aspect of this conversation I want to bring in your whole luck factor, destiny, this shit that's larger than the human experience.

Positives of being collaborative (44:19)

Yeah. I feel that once you have that energy of being collaborative, stuff starts working out. When you actually have a intention of giving intention of, okay, bro, all of us will like go ahead. Shit works out, shit grows. But this is something you only experience after you actually switch your own mindset. Also, a lot of people have this fake notion that agar ham kuch acha karinge toh home acha millega. It's never like, oh, if you force yourself to do something that you don't want to do, you will get good. That's never the case. You have to actually be naturally wanting to give something or wanting to be collaborative. If that universe is very smart, it recognizes what's true energy, what's fake energy. If you're trying to do good, trying to do good and not actually do good when you want and you mean to do good, it can be easily differentiated. You won't be like, oh, I have to do this, so I'll get good from it. You're one of the few guys I've met in my life in our industry who talk so openly about the universe and numerology and things.

Armaan’s belief in cosmic energy (45:26)

I love, I'm a big believer in cosmic energies. I am a big believer that anything you do has, there is a cosmic conspiracy happening. This is magical, whatever is happening right now. Me and you sharing thoughts, me and you speaking about our journeys, about our thoughts. I think it's beautiful and we take this for granted. We take these small little moments for granted. I think the universe is present in all these small little moments. And for me, I've always looked out for these signs from the universe, be it in the form of numbers. I'm a big 11-11 believer. But, I was like, I need to do a fist bump on this, but one 11-11, it's okay, man. The one 11 and the 11-11 is going to take care of it. Yeah, for sure. The fist bump was meant to happen. So I'm a big believer in those, even though I'm not scientifically in on that. Hold on, explain what one 11-11-11 is to the listener. I know what you're talking about, but there needs to be a little backstory. So, I mean, each number represents something different. I don't know it at the back of my head. I always search what does this number mean when I see it. But the basic, I think the premise around this whole number thing, 11-11 or 1-11, is that the universe is trying to grab your attention to something that's happening in your life and telling you that probably this is something good or this is something bad. You need to change this. You need to realign or you need to be ready because there's abundance coming to you or there's amazing things lying ahead for you. There's a big change for you. So I think these symbols, these numbers. I just want to give one perspective. This is basically like when you look at the clock and it's always 1-11 or 11-11. Not only the clock, sometimes I'm randomly just driving and I see the car in front of me and it's 3-3-3 or it's 2-2-2 or whatever. And I'm like, why are these signs coming to me? And it's not a one off. It'll be like that whole week you'll see a 2-2-2 or a 3-3-3. It could be random. I could see all of them in one week. And I try my best to decipher what pattern is happening and whatever. But that's me. I'm crazy. But the basic essence of it is that the universe is trying to tell you something. It's trying to bring your attention to something happening in your life. It's trying to realign something in your life or it's trying to keep you prepared for what's going to happen. So that's what I feed off of that energy. I didn't believe in it. A friend of mine kind of brought my attention to it. And after I started paying attention to it for the first few times, then it became… You started noticing patterns. Yeah. It just happened to me. It's not like, oh I was looking out, 11-10, oh I have to wait for 11-11. It's not that. It's just randomly I just look at my phone and it's 11-11 or 2-22 or whatever. Like I talk to a lot of people about these conversations with questions instead of just googling that what does this mean?

Ranveer explains the concept of astrology (48:50)

Like that's been my place where I get answers. So I'll give you one perspective on like something I found out. So the perspective is basically from the world of astrology. I think I've had this conversation with you, but it's okay. We'll do it once again for the podcast. Let's do it. So when people think of astrology, when you say the word astrology, you automatically think of the Gregorian calendar and Gemini, Aries, Virgo, whatever. Correct. Okay. But astrology as a concept is really, really, really, really, really old in the history of the world. And early on, there used to be some civilizations which were established and some weren't. So there was like tribes in some countries and there was like proper established cities in some countries. Okay. India was established. Parts of Africa were established. Egypt was established. South America was established. And I think some part of Southeast Asia was established. And all these places, this is like 50,000 BC before even like a modern, like, so the writings that we have now, which we have deciphered, I think it's only up to the Indus Valley Civilization. Mesopotamia. That's why we think that those are the oldest. Yeah. But it's actually way older. Those civilizations considered themselves as modern and they thought there was some prehistoric. Oh, okay. So astrology as a concept comes from that prehistoric thing. And all of them have the same logic. Egyptian astrology, South American astrology. And what is that logic? The logic is like what we call Kundali and all today. Like as in, you know, have you seen those birth charts? Yeah. The astrology charts. So are you familiar with like how it works? Like, I don't know. Okay. So we'll do that on the podcast. Suppose you're born in this room. They'll map out the sky in a certain way. Like as in they'll figure out, okay. They take a certain image of the, of how this, how the, the sky looks at the time you were born and that shape somehow denotes your astrological sign and stuff. Basically they'll take a map of the sky and the map of the sky is divided into 12 houses. And each of those houses represent one aspect of you as a person or when you're born. So one will be your personality. One will be your mother. One will be your father. One will be your something about a marriage, your career, your finances, your death, your friendships and partnerships. Okay. So they basically represent different aspects of you. Now that is a map of the sky and our solar system has celestial bodies. So the nine planets plus the moon and the sun, they are the celestial bodies that have the maximum impact on the earth. Now, any object like this pillow, you, the light, the mic, all of it has its natural frequency, but you can also see it. Like it's got its own body and it's always giving out a frequency. The bigger an object is the more powerful the frequency it gives out. So a planet, a moon, the sun is so massive that is giving out a very powerful electromagnetic energy as well as most subtle energies, which has yet to be discovered by science. And that's the basic logic of astrology where they say that, okay, how do planets actually affect your life, your future as your life progresses, the position of those planets changes in your horoscope, but you're born with a certain position of those planets at that point of time, which predetermines, okay, this is his likely personality. This is her likely money, but it can all change. So the world of yoga says that if you practice yoga, if you're a good person, if you're spiritual, if you meditate, all this becomes null and void eventually like, and then it's just about your hard work and your dedication. Okay. And if you, if you keep meditating, it becomes clean. So all those civilizations spoke about astrology as this concept. Unfortunately, or fortunately of all those civilizations, India was the only one that kind of retained its old teachings. Okay. So when, you know, even before European imperialism happened before the British came and took over India, there was a lot of Europeans who visited India because of the silk route. And they understood that, Oh, dude, these guys have this astrology system, which they really believe in, which they thought was accurate, but they didn't exactly understand what it was. And they carried it back to Europe and develop modern astrology. What we know, which is that they'll divide all people into how many signs are there's 12, but that's not very accurate. It's a very general, it's not not accurate also. It's like a very, it's an overview, but it's not like, uh, like how sun, moon rising and all that stuff that. Yeah. So exactly. So, uh, it's, it's like if you and me, if I'm born on June 1st, you're on June 2nd, they'll think our manner and we are roughly the same people. Yeah. But even that June 1st to 2nd, there's been a lot of shifts in the cosmic world, but any of these things are beyond science, man. And it's also some of those things where you only, but I love all this. Yeah. I'm a big, uh, geek when it comes to this kind of stuff. Because I mean, dude, I think you've had some experiences in your life and it's, all the experiences that finally determine what you think. But I think only, uh, people who make themselves more, um, open, open to accepting things from the universe are the only ones who are given this vision.

Magic of universe (53:48)

I believe. I agree. I agree. I believe, uh, you know, there are a lot of people who are closed to this chapter of whatever existence. Yeah. They don't believe that there's a, there's a cosmic power or there's some kind of energy. There's some, uh, above human energy that is happening, that is working its magic in the world today, uh, or doom, whatever it is. Whatever is happening is because of this. I mean, it's not, uh, I believe that whatever you do, you do, but there is always this certain power that's around you that is, uh, I wouldn't want to say control. Uh, it is, it is kind of letting things function the way they're doing. The it's kind of, uh, wearing things in, uh, in, in the direction that it, it goes in. So there is this, there is this entity, I don't know what it is. Even I cannot say what it is. I only don't know, but, uh, as long as you keep yourself open to it, that energy exposes itself to you and you receive more and more knowledge about it. And honestly, if someone gains more knowledge about, they won't even be able to explain. I cannot explain what knowledge I've learned from the universe because it's more deep set. Yeah. It's not something like, Oh, this, that it's not clear. Yeah. It's very, um, what did Madhav spread out under the, under the, under the breath or like it said probably it's ambiguous. Esoteric. Yeah. I don't, I, I'm very bad at my English. I don't get these cool ass words. That's, that's the word for what he said. Okay. So basically it's esoteric guys. Uh, it's not, it's not a very, um, it's not expressed as it is. It's, it's, it's something that you can only feel and understand and it's inside your system. So I think I, even I won't be able to share what I've learned from the universe for myself, but I think it's a very powerful, it's a very powerful energy. If people know are open to harnessing it and open to accept it. The guys who are deep into like astrology believe that the one 11, two 22, three 33. Are your first house indicator, your second house indicator. Okay. Okay. For example, your second house is the lady in your life, which could be a mom or your wife. Understood. She needs your attention or, you know, you are doing something. Which is wrong or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Similarly then money is like one of them. I think creativity is four or something like that. Okay. Where you need to, okay. You need, no, I think creativity is three. You need to go and like give your creative work process. Okay. And one 11 or 11 11 is usually stability. It's like you are doing X you're on the path. You're on the, you're on the correct path. You're doing exactly what you're meant to do in life, which also brings me to my next question, which is that dude in your whole like career journey.

Unexpected surprises from Universe (56:41)

Can you give us like instances where shit has just happened to you where you're like, okay, dude, this wasn't me. This wasn't my mehnath because people assume that hard work directly results in success, but there's actually a lot of other shit that happens. Yeah. When it comes to success, which you only realize three, four years after experiencing success. Yeah. Even in your first year, you'll still think, no, no, no, it's just by chance, but just by chance and then the by chances happened way too much. Yeah. It's happened with me a lot of instances. I'll give you one instance very early on the Filmfare Awards. As you know, it's one of the most prestigious awards in our country. And once you have a Filmfare Award, that means you've arrived. My family, at least my family has fought like my dad had never won a Filmfare Award or even been nominated or even invited to a Filmfare ceremony. So for me and Amal to be invited to be nominated was a very big deal. So I wasn't nominated. I had, I had sung, you know, the song Mein Hu Hi Ro Te Ra, right? So that song I had sung and I thought it would be nominated, but it wasn't nominated. So I was not nominated in the best playback singer category. And I just went there to cheer Amal because he was, he was nominated for the, for that Roy album in which Suraj Dubai was there. And I was like, pretty sure Amal is going on stage and going to win the award. And I was going to root for him. And I was like, first film fell as a dress or dapper and all that. So Amal's award happens. He wins it. It comes back. We all are super emotional. Then there is this, this award that gets announced, which has no nominees. They just announced the winner. And I was getting ready to just bounce because we were like, we're done with Amal's award. And like, you know, all of us just need to go back home and party. And that gets announced. Armaan Malik wins R.D. Barman award for the new rising music talent in, you know, for Mein Hu Hi Ro Te Ra. And I was like, wait, what just happened? I did not expect this. And I was not in a mind frame to get it. And sometimes when you're not in that, in that zone and when life surprises you, when you get things that you don't even expect and at the age of 20, winning that award, I was the youngest male playback singer to win the Filmfare award. And, and that even happened without me getting nominated for it. It just was a surprise award, which got announced. I think these are the moments that make me believe like, I think there's someone looking out someone who's making things happen and making you believe that, you know, Hey, this is all, you know, possible, possible. This is possible for you. That's some magical shit that happens to you. Sometimes.

Spirituality And Professional Aspects Of Music

Ranveer explains the meaning of spirituality (59:27)

What's the, again, this is like one of those criticized words on the internet, just because there isn't a good enough word for it, but speaking about spirituality. I want to know what's the definition of what do you call spirituality? Because I don't, I also want to know. I'm also wanting to understand. There's two paths, right? Like one path is the path you just described in this whole conversation, which is your professional path. Correct. And there is a second path. That's your other purpose in life. Like, um, what have you come on earth to do? Yeah. Okay. So what's Armand come on this or to do versus what is that soul, which is now occupying the body of Armand? Why is that come back? Okay. So that's the basis of it. Spirituality means that this is an old soul that's come into Armand. Some like it, it's a parallel path to the one you're already existing on. So whenever you have that one 11, two 22 that you see around, that's actually the other body getting activated. Where's that other body? Inside you. So it's against the world of spirituality is like really broad, but the basic definition of it is like focus on your karma game, be a good person, work really hard, like with whatever work you're doing, stay honest. Correct. And the process of meditation and self discovery, like how you went to New Zealand to like discover yourself. Yeah. That can happen when a person does like a lot of deep meditations daily also, because that's effectively what you're doing. What is meditation? You're pulling your focus away from the real world, just into your breath or just into that one thing, your thing. Yeah, correct. So you're completely able, the goal is to forget your identity, forget that you're a single, forget that you're Armand and just come back to that one. Make yourself Shunya basically. Yeah, exactly. There's this guy called Nawal Ravikant, this philosopher from US, he's a big entrepreneur. Okay. He says that meditation is like intermittent fasting for your brain because intermittent fasting for your body is you starve your body, it heals. Same logic with meditation. When you're that quiet and that focused, the brain heals. So again, all this like forward spirituality, but it's a broad definition.

Armaan on spirituality (01:01:26)

Now I'll ask you, dude, what's your like outlook on it? So I've always been the kind of person that I feel that, you know, apart from my singing and apart from my musical career, I've come here to do good. I feel like that's one calling of mine. I feel like I've come on this planet, one side music, obviously, but also to share what I have learned or what I know. I feel at the age of 25, I know a lot. I mean, not bragging about it. No, but you have a 15 year career by now. Yeah. But at the age of 25, I have learned a lot. I know a lot, which I feel I can share with younger musicians who are now beginning and probably disillusioned about what they want to do or how they want to go about it. Or bring a certain structure to them and say that this is this, if you do this, this will happen and I've done it and I know it will happen. So I feel like I have that side to me. I got to ask you hard. I don't know if that is spirituality. It is. It is. Okay. The bitches I asked you to define it because I don't know what it is, but I definitely do strongly feel that there is this side of me that wants to really help people and guide people. Baba AM, I go by that hashtag Baba AM whenever I write any quotes and inspire people and stuff like that. So I'll have my own brand of Patanjali and stuff happening. I have to ask you a hard question about just like modern day singles or like musical talent. Yeah.

How does a musician earn money in India (01:02:52)

Very simple question. How do you guys earn money? Like what is the actual process of money going from your audience's pocket slash your label's pocket to your pocket? Like how, what are the different ways in which you'll earn money? So singers in India earn money through live shows, live concerts. Their main money comes from that. Their main money. My main income comes from live shows. We would love if we would earn money from the sales of songs, but we don't. That happens in the West. It happens in the West. We don't hear because there's no structure here yet. Now it has come. It's finally coming into shape. Like how? There are, there are you know, right societies now that are, that were there, they were there for a long time, but they were corrupt for quite some time. And now they're cleaned up and they're now giving royalties, giving you know, revenues to the creators of the songs. But it's not in the ideal way that it should be. Even in the West, there are loopholes actually. There are certain loopholes even in their system where certain creators don't get compensated enough for their work. India is like very, very, very behind when it comes to being fair to creators. But in 10 years, it will be different? It will be different. It will definitely be different. And I can see the change happening right now in front of me. Lot of creators are owning their own songs, owning their own masters. So when the song releases or when it's streamed on any of these sites, that money, having shared money with the distributing partners, like if, example, if a hundred rupees is made from one stream, this is not the real figure. I'm just hypothetically saying like if one stream of a song brings a hundred rupees, those messages will be percentages. You have to distribute to the guy who has helped you distribute that song to those different stores or their streaming platforms, he will take his percentages and other percentages. The streaming site will take its own percentages and then probably cut down and you'll get 40 rupees out of a hundred. That 40 usually comes to the label unless you own your own song. Usually goes to the label. But it depends on how you structure your business. We've all been label artists. For me until now, I don't think all the songs that I have sung, I could have earned anything because I'm not created those songs. I'm not a composer on those songs and neither am I a writer on those songs. I'm just a singer and a vocalist and a performer. But on my English songs, I am a contributor towards this. Like I told you, right? I am part of the song making process. So I'm part of the song creation. So I am a writer. And 'Bhape' writer means person who writes the song as in the lyrics and the person who makes the tune for it. So both of them are called writers. 'Yhape' there's a distinction that person who makes the tune is the composer, the person who writes the words the lyricist. There it's like anyone in the room who gives a good line is a writer. So that's how it is. And in Bollywood, I've just sung. So I'm just a singer. So I'm not entitled to those royalties that a creator should give. I'm not a creator of the song, but there are royalties that as a singer you get for having performed the song, which are called performance royalties, which a few societies outside of India give. Even in India, there are, you know, royalty societies that have come up now. So the scene is changing. It's becoming better for creators, for artists and who want to earn money from their songs. So primarily right now we earn only from live shows. Obviously for the next one and a half year, I don't see any live shows happening given to the scenario right now. So the popular belief is that as singers, we get paid to sing a song and that's not true. Did you know that? No, I'm assuming it's like, so you sign a song, you get like money. And then we don't get in Bollywood. I mean, I've sung songs in South, in the South Indian industries and in other industries outside of Bollywood. But, uh, I don't think any singer has gotten paid to sing a song. Be it Arijit Singh, be it me, be it whoever, as far as I'm aware, I don't think we get paid to sing a song. It's understood that if the song goes in your voice and the song becomes famous, you learn from the shows. Wow. You understand? But it wasn't the case earlier, right? I don't think so. It wasn't. It was. So you know how I would like to change the industry. It would be like, okay, if I've come into the studio, it's a service rendered and I need my remuneration for my service rendered. That's how I look at it. I have a very practical way of looking at it. But here, I think they're just not very sure of who they want. So they test different singers. They test different singers, obviously, which is okay. Obviously, you want to know who would fit the song best. But I've come there. Two hours of my time have gone there. So that is my time gone, my effort gone. So I think I should be compensated for that, which any singer wants to be compensated. But obviously, that's not the norm in the industry. Who decides these rules? It's, you won't even like, if you ask, it came to a point where sometimes if you ask for money, it becomes like, dude, what attitude are you singing? Wow. It's like, I'm going to ask for money, I'll be there. He's talking about money just before even like singing the song. He's not even thankful that we have called him to sing this.

How are singers requested for a song (01:08:53)

But who calls Arman? Like, is it a composer? Is it a producer? So sometimes it is producers, mostly it's composers. And usually the money doesn't come out of the composer's budget or whatever. I think it comes from the production house. And they just don't have the remuneration for singers. But, you know, I'm slowly wanting to change that and I hope it changes. But you can't really change it. You can't really, it's like an unspeakable thing. You can't go into the studio and say like, hey, listen, this is my bill for the, you know, for what I did. And where can I send the invoice? Wow. That's not there. That's not even part of the conversation. You have to just sing the song and just pray that the song comes out in your voice so that when that song becomes famous, you do shows and then you earn money. That's how it is. That's how crazy it is. Arman Malik, thank you for being on the Ranveer show brother. Cheers, bro. That was a nice COVID fist bump. Guys, I'm going to be linking all of Arman's handles down below. Make sure you go check it out. And Arman, any last short message for the world?


Last message (01:09:59)

Just chill, man. Just chill out. All of us in the same boat, all of us are going through the same shit. There's no point stressing. Just take your kambal, put on Netflix or Amazon prime, whatever works for you and just chill out. Have your favorite food, burger, fries, whatever, and just chill. Let's relax. Let's get over with 2020. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Cheers. Bye. You

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