Taapsee Pannu's Unstoppable Drive For Career, Success & Work-Life Balance | The Ranveer Show 146 | Transcription

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Beginning Of Podcast

Introduction (00:00)

According to me, every industry, every profession, every macro storyline has certain people who counted as dark horses, who are professional, who are determined, who wanted more than the others and sometimes initially they might go unnoticed. This isn't the story of Taapsee Pannu because I feel her story has been covered in a lot of other podcasts and interviews. These are her current mindsets in life. This is what she brings up in conversation. We've had a lot of Indian film industry personalities on the show earlier, but from now on, instead of talking about self-improvement and mindsets, we're going to change the flavour of all these Bollywood conversations beginning with this one. Taapsee Pannu was a great first guest in what I consider as sort of season two of the Ranveer show. The Ranveer show is now Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode is available on Spotify, 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world, so make sure you follow TRS on Spotify because these kind of conversations have only just begun. As I said earlier, this is season two of the Ranveer show for me. Great conversation about what's happening in the world today and likely what's going to happen going forward. This is a person I look up to immensely and I'm looking forward to watch Rashmi Rokit, her newest movie that's available on Zee5, starting from today. This is the star of Rashmi Rokit, Taapsee Pannu on the Ranveer show. Taapsee Pannu, welcome to the Ranveer show. Thank you so much. I'm so happy that you're here. This is one step better.

Discussion On Diverse Topics

Opinions about engineering (01:58)

This is how's it going? How are you? How's your mental zone? My mental zone. It is good when I am not forced to do things. Are you feeling forced right now? No, no, I'm not. I'm not. I'm good. What I liked about, uh, this prospect of podcasting with you is that you're also conversationalist. I feel you have a lot of different opinions on like many things. Yeah. So difficult to shut me up sometimes. No, no, it's good. I think that's also the engineer inside you. I'm also an engineer. So actually engineers are not extra. I think you look at life in a different way after engineering college. I think in India, people do engineering to decide what to do in their life after that. For sure. But, but that process of going through engineering college changes the way you look at the world. And then that gives you opinions on like a lot of things. I don't feel like a star. I feel like I'm facing life in my life. You feel engineering college changed you? Any kind of education changed changes you. I have a career in engineering, but it did. Four years of, uh, aggressive mathematics and physics and coding did change me, made me a sharper learner, which helps. My engineering degree is directly used, but I have a skill set basically. I have a brain function which helps me learn and learn. You designed an app which was related to fonts. So I was a little bit worried. Fourth year, final year, I had a project submission. I was relatively new and then we didn't have a, an app to, uh, swap the fonts. There were four types of swan. But, uh, basically with the help of two friends of mine who were far better than I was at that time. So they all three of us decided that we were going to ask a professor a question in the Viva. Then we used Objective C and made that app. And he actually couldn't ask anything. For the software engineering students, the hardware questions were answered. Because they had no idea what to question in the Viva. Can you still code? Of course not. I have never been found. I've never been found of coding. I think many mathematics and physics, you're going with the flow of software. Who has software engineering? So mechanical, electrical, electronics. So a computer was like the in thing. But, uh, and then finally, or may you went to south India?

Business Mindset (04:58)

Yeah. Finally, I finally actually end. I waited for my final exam to get over. I signed my contract before that. I waited to give the final exam. And then went to a mother to shoot. So I did some research on you and I found out a little bit about your family and it confirmed one of my theories that I have about genetics. I feel some aspects of mental genetics, skipper generation. And I know that your granddad was an entrepreneur of sorts. Like he was into business and then your dad chose not to get into business. Uh, and I know for a fact that you're also getting into business slowly. Now I don't know whether that's the engineer in you or the genetics skipping a generation. I think, yeah, can be, can be that is keeping a generation. Well, he bought shawty such because my, my dad always believed in stability, maybe because he saw granddad handling business. Just can the guarantee new D get not as our per month. So we'll avoid that. My dad chose a safer route, which he does still date. Okay. I just came Joe safe. Okay. Simple route. Oh, well, tricky. Now who's out there? Is he not home? I stuck with he a root person there. So he, he gave up the business to his brother. And when I wanted to start working, I had to take hardcore instructions from people. So I felt like I was already listening to teacher the whole time in school. I felt like I was controlling everybody's telling me what to do. Back home parents are telling you what to do in school. Teachers are telling you what to do. Whatever little time you're left with no tuition. Teacher is telling you what to do. So I didn't go to tuition. I did not like so much of control of other people on my life. So we'll coffee, which I asked that. People ask me questions again and again. Not much repetitive question was out there.

Moods of actors (07:15)

They tell me, yeah, caro. Yeah. So it asks me, it happens as an actor, like at this stage of life. Yeah. Yeah. Already, after so many years of doing the kind of job we do and the way we live, it's we become moody. Can you like explain this little more? See the thing is, okay, I'll explain to you in a little logical. If a hormonal imbalances happen in the body, say example, it triggers your mood and hence you react a certain way, right? As an actor, we are forced to create a mood, be it for our films or be it the way we behave in public domain. So that ends up affecting our inside. After a point of time is my feeling or my interpretation of this whole thing is why we end up becoming moody. That after a point of time, we somehow lose control over our emotion and reactions and start like reacting in an abrupt way without realizing impulsively. So I understand when some actors are little moody, I don't really think that that's abnormal because I can understand where it's coming from. For years of behaving against our will, you can't suddenly say, I'm not sad, I'm not sad. So that really changes your inside a lot and makes us a little moody is what I have realized over years might be true, might not be true for a lot of people. This is my interpretation. I've observed this about a lot of active friends of mine. You have to tap into parts of yourself, which maybe you're not right now in life. You were maybe those things. Yeah, and it is very hard for your mental health to do that every day of your life for years. So you're obviously tampering with your system a little bit now your mental system, you are, you're tampering with it somewhere. So, and hence I feel we become slightly moody. Hmm. Have you been able to control that now? I can't, honestly, to an extent I try to, I try really hard to, so our impulsive reactions become very high. Immediately we'll feel happy immediately. We'll be like back to some very normal state. How are you feeling right now? That totally depends on you. How are you feeling right now? It depends on you right now. What energy are you feeling? Right now I'm in like a normal mood.

The professional switch (10:05)

You're always in a very professional zone, which is what I admire about you. I like, I like this whole professional hustle. I don't know why, um, it's there a lot in some people. And the thing is with podcasting, you're probably around a 200th episode. And I've seen this with very few people as in, uh, there's, there's some people who always have like a professional switch on in the head, which is good. It's admirable. It's also a little like, I feel bad a little bit sometimes for these people because they're not able to switch off from the professional life. But I admire it as well. I cut my life. Okay. Pack up here. I know I'm not thinking of work at that time. Then I'm off it. What do you think about before you go to sleep at night? I actually think about that. I have to sleep for eight hours. Because my days are very long. Uh, I have to start my days with the, with some or the other practice that's been happening since first Jan, 2020. I have to train for that and then do my work, uh, whatever I'm doing, promotions or shooting. So my days are at least 12, 14 hours long. So if I don't get to sleep good sleep for eight hours, then it is a problem. How's your zone over Rashmi Doggett finally coming out? I know you put in a lot of work, even like from a fitness perspective, from a, I'm sure from a character perspective, but just specifically your fitness. I saw some stills, you know, where there's a still of you running. I think Tejinder took it. And you can see like your leg muscles and all that. It's like as if you're a professional footballer, you changed your full, the way your body is functioning. Please get up. That was only developed for running. It's a high intensity sport. And especially when you are running for a hundred meters, those can, the muscles, uh, banana, uh, to DC mandatory. Yeah. Because high power did that go to the, because it's just, it's a relatively shorter, uh, distance, right? So one mile or a marathon, but it's the full power, uh, momentum. So you don't have that much of time. So if you have stronger muscles, you can reach your best quicker. So that is why I had to build all that muscle. I was playing a character who has higher testosterone levels in the body, which is not considered normal for an average woman. So I had to have enhanced muscles than, uh, an average athlete. Uh, so I had to work harder and leg muscles, the back muscles are the ones that are more powerful. It's a denser muscle. It's a longer muscle. It takes more time. It takes much more effort. So literally, I had to work harder in the gym. What was your fitness routine to generate that kind of a body?

Her fitness routine (13:16)

That I had to like overall, I had to do a lot of things. I had to do a lot of lockdown. I had to do a lot of lockdown, I had to break up. I was continuously training those two and a half months and the two months. And every day morning, I was shooting in Uttarakhand for Haseen Dhulruba when I started the training. So I used to be either on track or in the gym. And I used to be training on track or in the gym, alternate days. And then I will come back. I had to go to the bathroom for a few minutes. You have to change, get ready, go to the, uh, your vanity or your makeup room to get ready. And nine o'clock I had to report on set for Haseen Dhulruba. I had to do a lot of things. And I had to do a lot of things. I had to do a lot of things. I won't be able to pull off a day like that. So that used to be my training routine every day, alternate day for gym and then track. Diet was there, but honestly, I didn't expect that I would not have carbs. So it is not possible because I was training for a track, a track sport, right? So I can't run without my carbs. I didn't have enough money. So all my meals had carbs, all my meals. Yes, they were controlled with the kind of carbs I can have, but I was having sweet potatoes. I was having rice. I was having a different kind of grains, so it was not like I had starved myself. I was eating every two hours, but what I was eating, like I was eating a lot of food. But that's purely because I had that kind of a sport where it was burning out. And there was a very tricky situation because I had to muscle build. And for a body like me, uh, unfortunately, or fortunately, whatever you can say, I don't have higher testosterone levels in the body. So for me to have that kind of bulged up muscle will take longer and it will not retain for a long time, unless I keep working on it. So I was like, I will build my track and then I will have to build my cardio. So it used to be, it used to almost neutralize my effort of building muscles. So it took me longer to start showing up those muscles and a lot more effort. And so the diet really helped in a way to start looking bulged up. Uh, it's, it's a full credit to all four trainers of mine who ended up making me look like this. And in those say almost like unreal to imagine, to look like that. I have never been fitter and it was not like I was feeling that I was not feeling well. I felt very strong from inside. I was not craving for food apart from my love. I didn't crave for anything else. Uh, so it was very, that was, it was very smooth, but I was not a gym loving person. Before this, I didn't go to gym regularly. I got squat for the sake of my knee because I love playing squash, but it was not like I was a gym lover. So I had to really force myself to fall in love with gym. Now it has become such, I've got addicted to looking at myself with such toned muscles that I don't want to let it go. Did it also change you mentally? Like all this training, did you feel more determined in life? No, I was already in the palace. Because I have been continuously in sports. So that way I was mentally conditioned always because I was not able to set my goals. That has been the sports background I come from.

Hustle mindset (17:11)

So I want to ask you one thing as an engineer, okay, from one engineer to another engineer, from the outside, it seems like the Indian film industry, every, all the people in front of the camera, not all, but most of them are sort of in this very race mode, you know, like do one film release it, get to the next one. You know, there is, there is a sort of, I won't say game, but some tournament type energy going on. That's what it looks like from the outside. It's admirable because not everyone can even reach, you know, to the point where they make a debut in a good film, et cetera. Is that true? Like, is there like this kind of energy of everyone thinking about what their next step is? If they get a hit, they move on to the next one. See this industry, it's unlike other industries, you have a purple patch. So everybody wants to run and reach that point quick. And everybody's like doing everything to hold on to that time also. So because of that, it might feel like that. But no, I know a lot of people in the industry, they say, "I don't want to rush from one film to the other." They are actually running. Not necessarily. They're all running. Why are you like doing what you're doing? I am running because I have really worked hard and waited long since the time I started working to reach a stage in my career where I have the liberty to choose from extremely good options and not settle for the better. So there was a stage for years, I was just doing films where I was like, "I want to do something for you. I want to do something for you. I want to do something for you." So now I've reached a stage where it's opposite. It's like everything is so good that I'm getting. I don't want to let go of a good script from my hand. I've waited for years to reach the stage where people really want me to do author backed roles. It's not about having the maximum screen time. It's about doing something that's not done before kind of a feeling, which is like out of the box, which is like not seen before, which is rare. I've been doing it for a long time. I don't know if I can do it in the right way or not. So I try to do all the good scripts that come my way. Luckily, I have directors who are ready to wait. Sometimes people come to me with a script, "Nahi, we want to do it with you." And then I request them, "Please wait for the next hour." I don't have dates, but I would really want to do it. And they oblige this request. So I'm really grateful for this day where they actually can do that. I have seen a stage where I don't know what to do. I don't know if I have scheduled a schedule. I don't know if I'm available or not. And they used to replace me with someone else. So from there to here, it has been a long, tedious journey. So I don't want to take it easy now when I finally achieved it. So hence I'm trying to do all the good films that are coming my way without thinking about which I honestly think I'm not a solo racer. I'm not going to be able to track myself. Because I don't know, I really don't keep a track of what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, what's better. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it better. I'm going to be able to do it better. Are you happy? Yeah, so far I'm really happy. Like I've seen a stage where I've been able to sustain myself. I want to still discover what more I can do in the space I am in. Because I feel that I'm complacent. So downhill from here. Is there anything going wrong in your life at all? I don't know. I don't want to be in training. I want to be in a place where I can do it better. I also want to wake up a little late in life where I can like relax and, you know, start my day at like say eight, nine, one without running to one training session and then starting my day and doing multiple things in a day. I would also like to do that one thing in a day kind of a thing.

People from outside of Mumbai (21:50)

So the stage I think will come soon after probably I'm done shooting for Shabash. That stage will also come. Yeah, I know what you mean. I think a lot about college, maybe a little bit before that. I want to go back to that stage. I read a quote recently which had messed me up. The quote said, I wish I could find the courage to wake up and not want to be a somebody. That's interesting. And then I thought that that's, that's, that's interesting, especially for Mumbai. You see that a lot of people here, especially people who come from outside Mumbai, like my whole team almost is built from people who are coming from outside Mumbai. They want to do something with their life and this city kind of puts that energy into you. That is a fire. If there was someone who actually is from Mumbai, a senior actor, he told me that he has observed a different kind of fire in people who are coming from outside Mumbai to make it in this industry. Because it took her bar, Chorke, ow, who per se, we'll have it constantly. Go ahead to me. We'll make it nature. What is our job? No, you have this year off key. You made it with both of them. My parents for the longest time, you know, what is our job? I don't think which one right. What is our job? Like a daddy. Ah, like my daddy. And then there's also a fear of, uh, uh, which, which car at Mars, I mentioned, Harry cup and down at that. So it was like, I got my own kaboom. He gave me a problem. The world of being called back, back to your house, wherever you're coming from, and you are out of your comfort zone. So that kind of fire that is there in people who come from outside is relatively more because you want to run away from, you know, going idea of going back. I think it's there even more with Indian girls than guys because Indian girls, especially outside Bombay, I've observed and I might be wrong because I'm not a girl, but I've seen, I feel like Mumbai changes a girl's reality a lot. Is that true? Yeah. There are two sides of this coin. I feel. Yeah. You're right in the, in the sense that Mumbai suddenly gives you wings, honestly, like as a girl or just as a, as a girl, probably I can only, as you said, you can't say as, as a girl, because you're not, I can say as a girl, because I feel that when I came to Mumbai, I felt that whole, this whole city made me feel like, more independent in a way, because I'm coming from Delhi, right? Where there are, there are certain constraints in terms of it's unsafe. It is, that's the reality it's unsafe. Uh, so when I came here, that fear of, fear washed out of my system, which was, which really gave me wings or rather was that wind beneath my wings in a way. And I see so many, you see so many women around independently making it in their life without any kind of support system thinking, yeah, yeah, I'm managing the life by themselves, which also gives you inspiration in a way. So seeing all that in this city does, uh, give you wings. So that way is yeah. Uh, as a woman, you feel more empowered when you come to a city like Mumbai. Uh, but on the other hand, if I have to compare it with the guy, I'll tell you, I've seen or heard a lot of things where, you know, guys, when they come to a different city and we want to make it big, somehow it's a, it's a patriarchal mindset also that they feel like responsibility. When a girl goes out to work in most of the cases, if not all, she wants to do it for herself more than her family. Right. It's something that she has to eventually prove to the family or herself, but it is, it's not like in most of the case, I'm not saying all cases can, they have to look after their family also. But most of the times they're doing it because they want to be independent, independent, but for some reason, the guys who come and work for them, it's like, yeah, we have to give, send money back home. Their whole thing is like, you have to, because you have to run the house eventually, take care of your parents and all. If you don't have the pressure, you don't have a independent household. So that is a big difference. I feel that that kind of burden makes the guys feel more under pressure. Yeah. That's, that's, that's one of the very few reverse sexism thing that happens. Yeah, that happens. There is this stat, something like, uh, I think 75% of all suicides actually, uh, committed by men. Like, uh, it's, it's, it's just this false sense of pressure that patriarchal society puts on guys also. I'm sure patriarchal society puts, There's a different kind of pressure on girls, but this is this earning for the family while our pressure I feel is more on guys. And the reverse of that, like as in the other side of that earning for the family is that you'll amount to nothing. That's what a lot of guys are afraid of. Yeah. Yeah. How come you're not able to, so that also pressure plays on your head a lot. So I sympathize with that kind of pressure also for guys.

On independence (26:58)

What else have you observed about this whole patriarchal society thing after living alone in Mumbai? Because a lot of, a lot of young girls all over India, they look at Mumbai as, or not Mumbai, just look at moving out of the house as a next stage of life. You know, but I'm sure once you reach that next stage of life, you figure a lot also about the world. Of course you do. A bird actually learns to fly when you have to jump out of your nest and not with the support of your parents. So that is the real test or the real way of learning how to live. You eventually have to do that sooner or later, which is good for you. If you do it as soon as you can, otherwise you'll never have a life of your own. What did you learn from independence? A lot of things. I don't know how to put those in words because now you know that you are not there because of someone else or you can be by yourself. You don't have to look at someone to think of what, how you're going to handle the next problem of your life. How are you going to start your next day? You don't have to look at people around for instructions or solutions. You feel more in control of what you're doing. You get more confidence. And in today's day and age, it is so important to have that confidence in yourself because otherwise you stay behind in the race of life. If you don't have control and confidence over yourself in your life.

Perception of Bollywood (28:23)

So before every podcast, I'd end up doing research. I've heard a lot of your other podcasts and all that. I also ask a lot of my friends who are very into films that what they think of you, you know, or I mean what they think of my guests. One common like feedback I got from everyone is, uh, after COVID probably it happened a little bit before COVID also. The way audiences perceive Indian cinema has changed a lot. The way audiences perceive stars has changed a lot where they want stars to be a little bit approachable, humble, real. And that's the mark that you have fit. Even Irish man is in the same bracket to some extent, even run we using is in the same bracket. And he puts up so much of himself on social media. You do the same like people know who you are. Is that something you did consciously or you just went with the flow with life? And do you think that's correct? Like people are gravitating more towards like it's actually 50 50. I'll say I, uh, I didn't make an effort to do that voluntarily. It was not like, yeah, I, I thought this is the way to do it and hence you should do it. And maybe that people started, uh, noticing it later when I actually was of some value to them. Uh, but I've been like this before because that's probably one of the reasons why none of my social media is handled by any team. I have, I control my own social media. Social media also gives off a very professional vibe. Really? Yeah. I mean, social media is our bread and butter. So we, you know how a musician will listen to a song and he'd be able to break down everything in that song. Even if he doesn't want to. So social media also works the same if you're in it for a while. If you're in it for a while, if you see someone's social media, you get to know a lot about them, but how the head works. Even there was like, okay, this person's very driven. Like this person is at it. This person wants the next step. But anyway, sorry. No, you, uh, so maybe because I feel like I put out, uh, stuff that is closer to myself. It also helps the fact that I choose films that are closer to my own thinking and even the brands that I, I resonate with. So I end up putting those as well on social media. Um, so yeah, so I, it didn't happen during the pandemic or after the first lockdown or anything. I feel generally the audience has changed in a way that today the, everybody thinks that they are the star, right? I'm not talking about film stars. There are social media, there are followers, and they are stars. Now, gone are those days where there were only handful of stars and they were aspirational stars who were not approachable, not accessible. And the only way to wait and you know, you will, you will wait to read about them and all. Now with the effect of social media, everybody's a star, right? So now the, the, nobody wants to see someone who feels like they are aspirational or diva-ish. They're like, "Kee baha hum bhi saare, ismein kaunzi badeewaad hai." So now they want to see those people who represent them, them on screen or who resonate with their thinking and their voice in a way. So that's why the relatable actors have kind of taken center stage now. It's not because you're putting, I feel it's not because you're putting yourself more out there in social media because without taking names, I can tell you there are so many more actors or actresses who put them, put themselves out much more than the stars that you name. But they are still not anywhere close to stardom. It's because of the kind of content you put out and the kind of films you do and the characters you play. How much are they relatable to that general public who today on social media feels that they also are a hero of their own life. So how much they relate to your characters and the kind of things you do matters today more than how much you are putting yourself out on social media.

On Amitabh Bachchan (32:08)

I have like one very specific question I wanted to ask you which was pre-prepared. Which is that what did you learn from Akshay Kumar and Amitabh Bachchan, these two people? Because I know that you mentioned them in other podcasts also. When I was listening to what you said about them, I had many more questions in my head. Two very different kind of people, two very different things. If you ask for Mr. Bachchan, I really don't know if I'll be able to follow what I have admired or learned from him. But I'll try. At that age, that man is still at it and not just because he's a machine and at it. He has that hunger to learn, he rehearses, he prepares, he becomes excited like a kid about a role and a story. I've seen that excitement in him having done two films with him now. So that kind of enthusiasm and excitement after so many years and being the superstar he is, it's commendable. So that's one thing I would love to imbibe in me. I'm not sure if I'll be able to because that's a hard task I feel.

On Akshay Kumar (33:10)

Akshay Kumar, I think the fact that that man again is at it. He has a personal life which he totally takes care of. He has this thing of Sunday I'm going to take off because I'm going to spend it with my family. They're going to be fixed working hours in the day. And he's like I need to spend time with my family, I need to go for vacations, which he does in between films. And then he comes back and does like four films in a year. And all very different kinds. He has a strict discipline in his life, wakes up at a certain time, takes care of his body, sleeps at a given time, eats healthy. And it's not like he's become like a non-human kind of a person. He is funny, he is fun to work with. So it's a very nice balance that he's maintained in his work life and personal life which is commendable. Which I would want to learn and achieve someday. You know I think you'll be the first Taapsee. But if I had to say okay who is Taapsee the second, who I'd say she's like sort of a female version of Akshay Kumar. Yeah, I feel in a way I've graduated from being this female Ayushman to female Akshay Kumar. Okay, I shall take it as a graduation compliment. If they had a child, that child would be you. Oh my god, okay that's interesting hybrid.

Hate & BTS (34:36)

One thing I found fascinating was that you said that you love being on camera. So that's a love for your craft. That's your passion and it's great that you're living out your passion. But you said one aspect you don't enjoy about this industry is the stuff that happens behind the camera. But what happens behind the camera? The stuff that happens behind the camera, a lot of things happen. I'll tell you what specifically I meant. I enjoy my time in front of the camera because I love to perform. I was never, I never had the dream to become an actor. So it was just I discovered this side of me when I started acting. So I'll not say this was inherent passion in me. It developed over a period of time. But what I don't like behind the camera part is the fact that people don't expect you to be a normal human being. You know like we are not as actors you're not allowed to have a bad day. As actors you're not allowed to express certain emotions. But ironically you want us to play very real characters in front of camera. But you don't want us to be real human beings beyond camera. You can't take that. You put an actor on a pedestal and you expect that actor to be always doing the right thing. But you would like that actor to portray real grey characters who does right and wrong in front of the camera. Because that's fun for you to watch. How does a person who's not lived that kind of a grey life portray those characters effectively on screen? So there needs to be, you need to let, consider them as human beings and let them be and make their own mistakes. And not expect them to be always right 24/7. Let them make their own mistakes and you don't have to follow everything that do blindly. Have a brain of your own self. So that part of it I don't like. And because I never aimed to become an actor I was not really prepared of handling scrutiny 24/7. I'm a person who likes to have a life beyond films. I've never considered film industry or my job to be I live, breathe, eat films. No. I live, breathe, eat other things which a normal human being does. I have working hours. I have a job. That is I'm an actor. Beyond that I am a regular person who comes back to a regular life and wants to lead that regular life. You, I, I, it's not like I enjoy the fact that there'll be like millions and millions of people going crazy. You know when a star or an actor comes. I would rather enjoy the fact those millions are like okay this person is doing something. Like a movie she has done or a product that she has come up with. And I trust her that it'll be good. So I'll go put my money on that product or that film. That this is because she has done it it's definitely gonna be worth investing your time and money. I want that kind of fanfare than people just going crazy for a selfie. So that is probably the difference because I never aim to become the star or the actor that you know I'm trying right now to be. I like, I like this fiery Punjabi energy also. But, but again, you know, I know that there was a phase in your career where people called you a bad luck charm for films. And then there was even a phase when a partism because of a partism you lost a few roles, you know, some things you were like supposed to. You still do. It never goes away no matter how big star you become. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't go away. It's not like just because you have reached a certain position in the career it will never, it will not affect you at all. Yeah, the frequency of it will reduce drastically. But it's not like you can say 100% do not affect you. I think this is what people don't understand about fame. And I've seen a little bit of it because of YouTube. The bigger fame gets, the more there are people who also want to bring you down. Who will go out of their way to jeopardize your career. And it might actually even be peers, it might be people who were friends at one point, it might be people who you thought are backing you. But then you hear stories from somewhere else. This is what people don't understand about growth and fame in general. Yeah, because I think that they forget the fact that your growth is not going to happen when you step on someone. It's not going to, that is not how it works. By pulling down someone you're not able, it's not, that's not the ladder you're trying to climb up. So I'm not, I don't really believe in that way of working. But yeah, you see people do that under stress and pressure also. I feel you have a lot of guts also to put out the kind of stuff you put out on Twitter. Where you know how Twitter is. It's just an aggressive platform and you need to be of a certain mindset to one, speak your mind on Twitter. But two, also speak your mind on Twitter as a famous person because you're the direct target. Like I remember when the second wave happened of COVID, I have a mentor Zakir Khandak, stand up comic. And he called me and he told me that Bollywood is going to take a slight backseat during the second wave. There may not be that many films releasing. So understand that the content creators are the ones who are going to get the heat that Bollywood would normally get because they are out there more. And I saw that I experienced the heat myself also. You find your club of haters who get together and say, I hate this place. Now because the wave has gone and life is sort of coming back normal, I see the hate getting shifted to Bollywood again. Actors again. And now I've understood the reality that you guys live in. I've understood the reality of that level of fame, what it brings also. But what's it like when you go through it? Because every person who can deal with hate has gone through a phase where they've learnt how to deal with hate. Like have learnt how to deal with trolls. Even with Rashmi Rocket, I know the kind of hate you've got. You've got hate related to body image. You know what you did for it. But take us through that journey of dealing with hate because I also feel there's a lot of life lessons, even for people who won't encounter fame in their life. Everyone gets criticized. Everyone gets trolling at some point in their lives. So what have you learned from your trolling experience? See there are two kinds of trolls or people who spread hate on social media. One are those bots or those people who are paid for a certain driven propaganda to pull down a certain set of people. They though you should just blindly sideline because either you are giving them employment because they are being paid to pull you down. So basically you are generating job opportunity for them. So feel nice about it and keep them aside. And bots are bots. Robots shouldn't be really bothered about them. The other kinds who you should feel sad for them I feel because it's not like they hate you. They have something really wrong going in their lives. And they don't have any other vent of spewing that venom out you can say or just like venting it out on someone. Because as a public figure there's a different high, a certain bunch of people sitting behind a screen get. You know that power that I affected or I could say this to that person who is this famous. So that's how they balance out that void in their lives. So you should feel sad for them that their lives are so sad that this is their power trip. This is their idea of feeling fine or powerful. So it's just a sad situation in their lives. It's not like people don't criticize in a good way. There are people who have a very good way of criticizing also. With a very balanced way of saying things. This, this specifically I didn't like. And there's a way of saying things always. There's a way of saying things when you want to just pull that person down no matter what that person does. Which is a lot that happens on Twitter. And then there is a thing where you want, there's a constructive criticism also. Because in the words you can figure out, there's a difference. So Twitter can have its majority trying to either pull someone down or blindly standing by someone. It's not like a lot of people have a mind, a balanced mind of their own there. So Twitter is not a platform for people of weak hearted or weak minded people. You have to just understand that none of this is of any consequence. Because after the first lockdown when there was so much of hate on Twitter, especially towards actors, including myself. Who were vocal on Twitter and all. I felt like okay the world is just going towards hatred and it's just so nasty out there. Then slowly when things started opening up, I started going out thinking, "Kya chabi?" Just to divert my mind and to see how much hatred is actually around. To my surprise, I couldn't see that kind of hatred in real life. So I realised this is all virtual hatred. Which is as I told you, either bots or people who have been employed to say certain things against you. Or who are just trying to vent out their frustration on you and don't have this kind of a feeling in real which is going to sustain for long. So that time I realised this is of no consequence and you should stop getting affected by this. Also I think what Aam Janta doesn't understand is how much their life is controlled by algorithms.

Opinions On Social & Bollywood Issues

Social Dilemma (43:55)

Have you seen Social Dilemma, the documentary? Yes, I did. First lockdown. So it's basically like if Big Tech, which are the big companies that all of us use, the social media apps. They know so much about your mind. They're not doing this consciously. But the artificial intelligence inside Big Tech is programmed such that if it understands this person is right wing or this person is left wing. They will ensure they show you only right wing propaganda or left wing propaganda. And then that will enhance what you already think. It will probably make you hateful about a certain person, about a certain group of people. So people need to understand. And it's not just political. The algorithms can control anything that you think of. Including how you look at love, how you look at relationships, how you look at your parents, how you look at your friends, how you look at life. So you need to kind of take social media detoxes. If you feel that there's too many powerful opinions on your social media, ask yourself if you're actually being affected by the algorithm. People don't understand that that's the actual pandemic that's going on. There is COVID, but there's also this digital pandemic, which are the algorithms. Yeah, that is true. I think people should just understand this is virtual and it's going to stay virtual. There is a real world beyond this virtual world. And there is hardly in reality, there's hardly any consequence of what happens in this virtual world. So if you have that strong ability to demark it and still have a life, I think that's the way to, at least that's what I am implementing in my life.

Opinions on Bollywood (45:27)

Yeah. Okay. The next question, feel free to not answer it if you don't feel like answering it. But I feel like as YouTubers, we sort of represent also the voice of what's going on on the internet. And people haven't found peace with the whole Sushant situation yet. When that was going on, what was going on in your head in terms of the whole backlash that came even towards the industry? Towards the industry. Yeah. Or even yourself. I think it was towards myself was different from the industry. I feel for me the backlash came because I kind of didn't understand the way it was diverted towards Rhea in particular, which I felt was unfair. And I still do. What happened to Bollywood in general was I felt somewhere directed, which was probably to lessen the impact Bollywood has in this country. So I felt it was directed. So that was like, okay, you know, there are two religions of this country, cricket and Bollywood. So you're trying to, you know, just damage the impact of one. So the hence I felt it was directed because it was a generalized umbrella. The whole industry was getting put under. So either you agree to hate the industry as a person of the industry. You are expected to either hate the industry for what it is or you get hated. So it was only these two sides. So either you say, "Kya matthap Bollywood ko Bollywood bakpaas hai" as a Bollywood member, or you get hated if you don't say it. So it's a lose-lose situation if you see. "Ya toh tum hai bola jayega toh tum jis khal thali mein khaat usi mein cheh karti ho, ya toh tum hi matthavo cheh do." So it's that kind of a situation. It was that kind of a situation. I refuse to, you know, consider this industry to be this nasty the way it was projected. And I don't think any industry is so "doodh ka dula," okay? I don't think anyone today can stand up and say, "Kya meri industry mein toh kuch kalat ho tahi nahi hai." Or, "Meri industry mein sab fair and square ho tahi hai." You are fooling yourself if you're saying that, right? So this industry also has its goods and bad. And I felt me coming from the kind of background I come from, the fact that I don't have any film in my career which is courtesy nepotism, or courtesy the so-called camps or clans that are there in the industry, I felt I'm coming from a very neutral perspective and I did not even know Sushant directly. So I was only an audience of Sushant like a lot of others. And I have been in similar shoes with the journey I've had in the industry. Both are from engineering background, coming from those humble middle class families, made everything on our own, whatever we could. So very similar. He's come from television, I came from South. So I thought, you know, maybe my perspective can be someone's perspective who is, who's been there also but is an audience as well. Which was actually, again, as I told you, was not taken in the right way by a lot of, by a big bunch of people because they expected me either to hate my industry or to be hated. There was no third option for me. And I can't hate the industry which has given me the position I am in, which I know it was difficult and I've always raised my voice against the fact that yes, it is difficult. And I knew about it that nepotism is going to be there and it's going to make my journey more difficult. And knowing all that I entered the industry and I'm still ready to fight that battle. But Joby Milaay, it's not like I can totally disregard the fact that people did accept me. It was yes after the audience embraced me and made me the actor I am today while watching my films. But eventually the industry also was not trying to throw me out. They had to eventually give in and accept. The internet doesn't understand grey. They only see things in black and white. Exactly. That's what it is. You only were given those binary two options. You either hate your industry or get hated. There was no third option given. So they don't want to put themselves in your shoes and think or have a neutral point of view. They have a very strong point of view of their own and whoever doesn't approve of that point of view becomes the villain for them. And that is exactly what happened with a lot of others like me during that lockdown. Yeah. Um, you know, and I feel one life skill that's going to develop for people going forward is the ability to see grey. There's so many times I see a lot of things on social media that I don't agree to. I don't approve of. I don't start abusing that person. I either unfollow that person if I feel that opinions are affecting me or I'm like, okay, this is this person's opinion must be a reason behind this opinion. I don't approve of it, but I don't want to start a battle there and just create negativity around. So I just move ahead and I have a peaceful life, you know, so even to do that, I feel pre-pandemic and post-pandemic, the requirements of skill sets have changed. You need to have a new skill set to survive in the new world. And I see a lot of that in you, Thapsee Pannu. Yeah. I'm trying to be that person who will change with time and not be that stiff tree out there who's going to stand against every wind and eventually break. Which we all have been at one at some point, you know, we've all been a little stubborn in our opinion. Oh yeah. We want to hold our ground also. But you need to understand, you need to mold yourself with changing time. Otherwise the time is not going to wait for you.

Last thoughts (51:12)

Yeah. I'll end this particular podcast by giving you a theory I have. I feel that India is a combination of many countries inside one single country. We have Punjab as a country, we have Maharashtra as a country, we have Bengal as a country, the South, four countries, five countries. Um, but what I will also say is each of these regions brings with it its own culture, therefore its own traits. Okay. And I'm Punjabi just like you. And when you grow up in a certain culture, of course you gain all the positives of that culture, but there are also negatives in every culture. There's gray in every culture. Yes, of course. And this every Punjabi will agree to that, like one negative of all of us is that we do have the little extra angle in our heads. It's there. And that angle channelizes itself. Sometimes I was like showing off channelizes itself as actual aggression when you go and hit someone or you want to hit someone. And there are a few Punjabis who learn this about themselves and then channelize it into their work and into creativity. And that's what I've observed about you. Yeah. I'm not an aggressive, violent person. So my aggression goes towards like my work most of the time is that I'll show it more than doing it. And it takes some skill to not direct it towards yourself also. So yeah, that's very hard. We are very harsh on ourselves, especially in this industry. We are very, uh, we really kill our own selves every day to live up to our own expectations sometimes. So yeah, that's, it's a hard place to be in. I think you're a really cool person. Oh, thanks. Yeah. You can take my autograph later. I will. We'll, we'll, I don't know. This is like, this is like a digital autograph that's going to be on the internet forever. So, uh, it was just, it was fun talking to you. And, uh, honestly, these podcasts, what happens is by the end of it, the guests energy rubs off on myself, my team a little bit. And, uh, the overall energy of this whole conversation has just been ambition. I know you're launching your own production house next year. I have already. I've already finished my first film as a producer. Okay. Yeah, it's crazy. Uh, but like, you know, just everything you're doing, there's always this positive aggression and, uh, ambition attached to it. So I'm just very curious and excited to see what you do in the next 10 years, in the next 20 years. Oh God, I stopped planning that. If you would've asked me a couple of years back, I would have told you my five, 10 year plans, but now after this pandemic, it has taught me never to plan for long.

Conclusion Of Podcast

End of the podcast (53:30)

So I only plan the next one month or a few weeks at max, not beyond that. Nice. I'm glad. Good luck with everything Taapsi Pannu. Thank you. Thank you so much. And I hope you had a fun conversation. It was nice. It was relaxed. So thank you so much. I'm glad. Thank you for being on The Renvi issue. So that was our episode with Taapsi Pannu. And I hope that you truly felt the new age podcasting vibe of this particular episode. When we had begun the podcast for the first 12 episodes, I just got my friends and my mentors and there wasn't really much hype. There weren't views on the podcast. And then we had to get a lot of Indian film industry actors to really get the podcast noticed. Back then we were a self-improvement channel, but I feel over the last two years, we've become more of a podcasting channel. It's free flowing conversation. It's relevant conversation. It's conversation that you probably have after a party is done and you want to bring up the intelligent talk. That's what this podcast has become. So I'd love to know from you guys how I can take it forward, what other questions you would have me ask Indian film industry personnel. And as for this episode, share it as far and as wide as possible. Taapsi Pannu was a beautiful guest to have on the show. Super humble, super motivated. And honestly, the professional energy rubbed off on me a little bit. Fame brings with it a lot of challenges and there's some people who are just built to handle fame. She's one of those people. So remember to follow The Renve Show on Spotify because every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world. This was only the first of many new age The Renve Show episodes coming straight at you. And also guys, make sure you watch Rashmi Rocket on Zee5. Taapsi Pannu's latest movie is out now and she's here to stay. As I said earlier, she's a dark horse and this is a beautiful part of her journey. Check out the movie.

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