Tony Robbins ON: How To BRAINWASH Yourself For Success & Destroy NEGATIVE THOUGHTS! | Jay Shetty | Transcription

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Introduction

Intro (00:00)

You don't experience life, you experience the part of life you focus on, right? What's wrong is always available, so it's what's right, right? And they're given the kinds of focus. And my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it. And I hadn't taken care of his family. There's no funny for Thanksgiving. Somebody had to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about once you focus on something is what does it mean? Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now today's guest is someone that I've wanted to sit down with ever since I was a very young boy. And it's extremely special to me to have this opportunity. I grew up in a home where I was surrounded by his books, his cassettes, his CDs. My father would be diving into them, playing them in the car, wherever he possibly could. And I was surrounded by this man's wisdom. And it had an impact on me, both internally, externally and in so many ways. And today I've had the great fortune of sitting with him for this podcast and this interview. I'm speaking about a man who needs no introduction that is recently the number one New York Times best selling author of this book, Life Force, the one and only Tony Robbins Tony. I am so honored, humbled and grateful to be in your presence. Thank you, brother. It's a time to visit. To be in your home, you've opened up your home today. This is the first time we brought on purpose out into the wild for a guest to be with you. But we're in your beautiful home that you've graciously and Sage was just an amazing host and welcome me so beautifully. And I want everyone to know also about I came here expecting that we were going to do a podcast. Tony, of course, is one of the busiest humans on the planet. We just sat down and we spent nearly an hour together just connecting and talking because of his kindness and generosity. And I want people to know that I want to hear more about it. So it's gorgeous what you're doing here. So thanks for having me on. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. So this conversation is a long time coming from the work that you've been doing. The journey of this book doesn't start when you started writing this book. The journey of this book for you became something that you got focused on a long, long time ago. Yeah, true. And I wanted to focus on one point to give people this context. You know, you're seeing as someone who is superhuman, you're able to do incredible things on a stage offstage. You have a phenomenal physical mental psychological presence. Have a beautiful spiritual presence.

Life And Self-Improvement

Being 31 years old and was diagnosed with a brain tumor (02:30)

But at the same time, you talk about in this book being 31 years old and fighting out about this brain tumor. Yes. I want to hear about what that feels like when you think you're doing everything right for your health. Yeah. And it hasn't been a point of concern and all of a sudden you get this news. How does that feel? Well, it was scary. Obviously, actually it started a little sooner than that. When I was really young, I grew up really rapidly. I've worked 20 hour days and I was also blessed and I got to work with some very important people and I got great results and they told other people. So by the time I was 19, just almost 20, I had become quite successful in external terms, at least in the world. And some part of me was kind of the mechanism in the back of our head, that 2 million year old brain, right? The fight or flight mechanism. I didn't know how to manage that so well. And part of my brain was like, well, maybe you have all this happening so quick because you're going to die young. And I literally became obsessed with not just getting hit by a truck or something, it was cancer. I was going to wilt away and I don't know where it came from and I knew better intellectually, but it was there. And then the first time I entered my life was before 31, entered my life through someone else, my girlfriend. I just came home crying uncontrollably and Jay, I mean, she was like, what is it? What is it? My mom, my mom and my mom asked cancer and then even worse, they gave her 9 likes to live. They just sent her home. And I think it would have been me. I think my fear would have overcome me. But you know, most people will do more for people they love, whether it be their kids or their family or someone else than they'll ever do for themselves. And so it's like, I kicked into gear. That's what I do. It's like, okay, if there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, look, there's thousands of people that had stage 4 cancer and that are alive today. We're going to find out what they do. We're going to do the same thing. She's not going to die. And then I just read every book I could on cancer. And I came across this one book called one answer to cancer. It's not the book I recommend today because there's so many better ones today, but it was written by this dentist who had pancreatic cancer, which is the most vicious cancer of all. He was given six weeks to live and this is 12 years later and he's alive. And so he laid out what he did to cleanse his body and it sounded radical in those days, pancreatic enzymes. So I went to this woman named Jenny. She was in her 40s. I said, Jenny, you know, I know you don't want to die. I said, but just going home and do nothing. Why don't you read this book? This guy was in worse shape than you and see if you wanted to apply this and she read it and she got inspired and I gave her as a man think of to kind of work on her head a little bit. Anyway, long story short, within about three weeks, you could, she had a tumor that was protruding in her shoulder in the wonder of feminine organs and you couldn't see anything three weeks later in her shoulder. And at the period of, I think about nine weeks when she was supposed to die and she looked good, she had great energy and I literally looked transformed. The doctor finally said, this is crazy. Like, let's do exploratory surgery. So they went in in her body and all they could find left of the cancer was something of size in my pinky's fingernail. And so the doctor said, this is a miracle. She said, it is a miracle. But let me tell you what I did. He was like, no, no, no, this is spontaneous remission. I don't want to hear what you did. Well, you did. It doesn't matter. But she's in her mid 80s today, she's still alive and that shifted me from victimhood like, oh my God, cancer could strike me down to believe me. I'll be great. So all the more shocking now I'm a total bio hacker on a health net. I've got to get on stage and do, you know, 12, 13 hours with 20,000 people and I got to do three or four days in a row and I make these huge demands. But I also have this incredibly intense regimen of taking care of myself. And then I went, I'm a helicopter pilot. So I went to go get my license renewed. You have to do a physical and I come back and I keep getting these messages from the doctor saying my assistant saying doctor says, got to talk to you. And I was like, I'm leaving for the South of France to an event. Tell them to just send a report and I got home this one night and taped to my bat and my master bathroom bedroom door was a note for my assistant saying, you got to call the doctor. He says, it's an emergency. So what do you do? What do you feel like? Well, all my old fears just started flashing back. It's like, oh my God. I mean, I treat my body so great. How could I have cancer? But I do fly all the time. That's radiation. You know, your head goes crazy. At least mine did. Yeah, but. Self diagnosis. But at that time, I had also found a center in my life. And so I found my center is like, okay, courageous person, you know, you know, coward dies a thousand deaths, courageous person once. Let me deal with it. If it needs to be dealt with in the morning, I woke up called. And the doc says to me, you have a tumor, a tumor in your brain. I was like, what are you talking about? I came to you. I'm totally healthy. I'm healthy as a horse. And he said, no, no, no, he said, you have an enormous amount of growth hormone. So I did some tests. I said, you know, how did you notice the growth hormone? My hands are bigger than your head. I wear a size 16 shoe. I was five one. Now I'm six, seven. I get a good 10 inches in a year and he goes, no, don't be funny. He goes, you need to hear me. This is serious. And he said, you really need to do this. And we'll do what? You got to come in for surgery. I was like, wait a second. I said, you're telling me you're going to cut me open? I said, what's the prognosis? He said, well, obviously you can die. You know, the only time you do a surgery that's this complex, but he said it. You put to it, Teri, Glenn. And he said, he said, you know, you're probably not going to have the same kind of energy anymore because it'll change your biochemistry. I was like, well, I think I should get a second opinion. Who would you recommend? And he did not have a good bedside manner and I didn't have a good side. That's either. I was a young punk kid. I was like, well, how do you tell me I'm going to have to have a surgery? So I kind of blew it off since he was such a jerk about it. I was like, I'll take care of when I get home. I flew this out to France and I did this seminar, but then, you know, the mind, you know, the mind starts going like, what if he's right? What if is this? So I went and did the scan and I saw the look on the guy's face when I came out from the MRI and sure enough, I had a tumor there. It was interesting, though, Jay. It was a big tumor. That's why I grew 10 inches in a year. And but it embarked, which means it swallowed a portion of itself up, but it's still there. And he said, we still need to do the surgery. So I went and did. I said, OK, he's a surgeon. Let me go to somebody who's more biochemically driven. So I went to this man in Boston and neurobiologist and he was really completely different. He was super warm and he said, look, he goes, I would never do the surgery. It's way too risky. There's a place in Switzerland you can go to and you can take an injection once every six months and you'll never have to worry about it because what they worry about is I have gigantism. It's called and make your arteries get really big and then you have a heart attack. I said, but doc, you just said my arteries are perfect and this happened 12 years ago. I said, why would I do anything? He goes, well, we just want to be certain. I said, well, what if I'm not certain the drugs are not going to have side effects? You know, he goes, well, it will make you tired all the time. I was like tired all the time. That's the opposite of my whole life. I said, I'm not energy is the source of everything for me. And he's like, Oh, you're afraid you're like Samson. You're afraid want to cut your hair. And I said, you're damn right. I am, you know, but he was so cool. I said, but you know, the surgeon wants to cut me goes, yeah, the baker wants to bake. You need to use the butcher wants to put you to the surgeon wants to cut. And I want to drug you. He was really cool. And I said, what if I did nothing? He goes, but I measured it like I'm not stupid. I go measure it once a year or something else. Well, you could do that. And think I did Jay because six months later, the FDA, I was having to go to Switzerland because it wasn't available in the U S and the FDA never logged in because they found it created cancer. So I missed the bullet went to five other docs. So six and total seven in total. And the last doc told me what I wanted to hear, which was Tony, you have a huge amount of growth hormone, but he goes, you literally do, you know, I brought 11,300 calories in one day on stage. Give you an idea. I was going to follow me for three years to follow one pick athletes and Tom Brady and people like that. And so they've measured everything in my body and he goes, you're doing two and a half marathons, basically, and calorie bird in a day and you're doing four days in a row like that. He goes, your ability to recover is insane. He's in two or three days you've covered. He goes, that's that's coming from that growth hormone, I believe. And he said, so I know bodybuilders that are spent in 12 hundred books a month have what you're getting for free. So that was when I was 31. I'm 62. I've never had a problem since I've measured it, but it really changed my outlook. And the first one may my outlook look like there is an answer. And the second one my outlook was there's a price for certainty. And you got to be very careful what price you pay to be certain. You got to find that certainty within yourself, which I know is a lot of what you teach and I do as well, Jay. Yeah. Thank you for walking us through that. It's especially going back a bit further as well. I think what I find fascinating about that, Tony, and a lot of the work you do is why does it? Why do we as humans often wait to see not even see pain? You saw pain in someone else and you try to help solve it and that got you working. Yeah.

Why do we wait to experience pain before we decide to change? (11:03)

But why is it that we often wait to experience pain before we decide to change a part of our lives, make a different choice to create a shift. And why is it that we wait so often for stress and pressure? I have that question was burning at me because I was traveling around, I had the privilege of this stage of life, traveling around the earth and working people from every walk of life, right? 100 plus countries I've worked in. And I'd see the same problems, even though you mean different cultures, like, you know, go to an Asian culture. It's not about the individual. It's about the group, right? But I'd still see the same problems. And then I got obsessed with it like, okay, what what's the common human experience because I'm seeing the same problems, even though it's a different culture, even those different beliefs, right? And I began to realize that there are certain human needs and there were six that identified that I've used ever since and it's helped me understand. And so one of those needs is certainty and if the base human need, certainty that you can avoid pain and that you can be comfortable with the most basic need. It's a survival need because if you have continuous pain, that's continuous damage, continuous damage equals death, right? But what happens for people is most people, that first basic need is where they live. They don't grow. Another need, the second need is uncertainty because ironically, if you're certain all the time, you're bored out of your mind. If you're completely uncertain, you kind of freaked out and a balance is not in. It's the ability to use both, enter both worlds. And then there's the need for significance, which is a big part of our culture today, thanks to social media, that need to feel special, unique, important, right? It can be a very positive emotion or need. It can be very negative depending upon how it's used, how it's directed. And then there's the need for connection and love, which everybody has. And those four needs, everybody finds a way to meet you. If you have to lie to yourself, work 20 hard days, you're going to find certainly somehow, you're going to find where I variety, you're going to find some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing other people down, some people do it by working harder, you know, it's different. You're going to find some level of at least connection, if not love. But the final two, what makes people feel alive, which is growing, everything on the universe grows or dives, and contributing. Everything in the universe contributes or it's eventually eliminated by evolution. So those are the spiritual needs, growth and contribution, where you get beyond yourself. And I think that the majority of us don't take moves because of fear and fear is just uncertainty. It's that base need. And when I go around and I describe this in more detail and I work with a big audience, 15, 20,000 people, and I'll say, "I'm just set of exercises." And I'm figure out, where do they get, what triggers them to be certain or uncertain? What triggers them to override and so forth. So they understand that like everything I do is to meet these needs. But then I get them to say, "What are your top two?" Not what you think they should be, not what you want them to be, what are they? And 90% of the people in our culture are certainty and significance or significance and certainty. Even though they really want love. So they have this route, like if I can be successful enough, then I'll be worthy of it. Or if I can just control it enough and know it's that way, but you can't control love, right? And so most people are, they're trying to meet their needs in a kind of a backwards way. And I think that fear, that uncertainty is what keeps most people from growing until they get enough pain. And then that pushes them through a threshold where their needs aren't being met, they got to change. And unfortunately most people wait until they have enough pain. Now that's not my preference. Sure it's not yours, but I'm sure you've had experiences as much as I've had where you did have to be pushed that far to get there, right? Yeah, by the way, I'm so glad I asked you that question. That's the best answer I've ever heard. It's really simple. It's simple, but it's profound as well because usually we would say, "Oh yeah, the reason why we wait till we don't have to change is because we're comfortable and we're okay with it." But really, it's because you're saying these needs keep us trapped almost. In fact, if you're wanting to change but not changing, it's because some of your needs are met by what you're doing and some of them aren't. That's why you're in that push pull, but you don't usually do enough until you're pushed over the edge. Like you smoke in a cigarette. What does it give people? Comfort? Because you take a breath of cigarette, you take a nice slow deep breath in and take it out to calm the nervous system, right? It's something that they're comfortable with. It's variety. If they're all stressed out and then they start to breathe differently, it's variety in the body. For some people, they did originally for significance. I'm cool. I'm smoking. Today, it's not really that cool to most people, but for some generations, some places it is. Some people see it as a connection with themselves. But if all of a sudden you're in a relationship with somebody who doesn't smoke and you really love them and you want their total love and attention and they're completely disgusted by cigarettes, now my needs for love are really strong and my need for this comfort is really strong and so you have this push pull. And then some people make the shift, some people don't. Yeah, absolutely. Well, what you said to me really run a bell for me and we spoke a bit about it earlier. I came to a point in my life. There was one point earlier when I left the monastery where I really struggled with my health, which I've spoken about before, but even more recently and it's interesting you were 31, I'm 34 now and it was probably around a similar time maybe 30 years old where I realized that I had two choices. I either had to slow down or I had to up my focus on my health. And that's why I'm so excited about this book for the world to read. Because you're giving us opportunities and access to thought and ideas and practices and medicine that can help us up our game of our health. Because often what we do is we choose to slow down. We choose to just go, "Okay, well, I'm just going to do less." And you and I think we both connect on the fact that actually giving and service and contribution and making an impact on such big needs that I was just like, "I don't want to stop." Just as you said with the energy point, I don't want to not be able to do as much and give more. So how do I change my health? And that simple decision is what led me to be attracted to what you're doing in this book and the work in this area.

The different genes that work magic in our body (16:42)

Talk to us a bit about that energy piece. In the book you talk a lot about boosting your energy through natural compounds. And when I was reading about this, I was fascinated because we're not hearing about this everywhere. If somebody were to tell you five years ago that you could reverse aging, the people would laugh at you. But today there are billions and billions of dollars being spent by the richest people in the world, mostly in Silicon Valley, and some of the greatest scientists in the world that have been breakthroughs in the last five years that are amazing. So there's a man named Dr. Sinclair, Davidson Clare from Harvard. He's probably the number one longevity expert in the world and I write about him in the book. And one thing is he's 53 chronologically, but he's 33 about chemically. I've applied what he's taught me for six months now since I'm in him seven months, maybe eight months now. And I'm 62, but I'm 51. My goal is to get it down to 41, 42 if I possibly can't. But how's that possible? Well, there are ways of reversing, you know, everybody knows their bodies made of stem cells, I'm sure by now. And there's ways of reversing the process of a stem cell, literally from skin back to a pluripotent where it can become anything. The man who did that was Dr. Yamunake, won the Nobel Prize for it. Davidson Clare took his work, applied it to reversing the aging and he started with mice. And he took these mice that had glaucoma, so they burned out the nerves in the eyes and those don't regrow. And he's the first time he probably won the Nobel Prize from this. He reversed the aging process and grew back their eyes, so they have sight again to give you an idea. They're using gene therapy. There's a young man that I interviewed in the book there who was on America's Got Talent, who's blind to now can see by this gene therapies. These are types of things that just sound like magic. The book is still the things, where I interviewed 150 of the smartest scientists, Nobel laureates, regenerative doctors and scientists, to show you what's happening right now that you might think what happened 20 or 30 years from now. Sounds like magic, or within 36 months. That's what it's all really based on. But here's what I want your audience to understand and run energy. So everybody's heard of the genome or their DNA, right? You can think of the genome as being like the piano keys. But the music is played by a player, which is the epigenome. Epi-means above. And the epigenome is affected by your diet, your exercise, how much exposure to radiation, et cetera. Well, most people have heard that. But the epigenome really is governed by seven master genes that are called sirtuins. Now, your audience has to have to remember all these names. But just stay with me. Just think there's seven master genes that do three or four things that are critical. First, they convert. They turn on and off the different genes in your body. That's the epigenome. And if you turn on the wrong ones, you age too soon, or your energy drops. So when this is fully fueled, when those sirtuins are doing their job, everything happens in the right way. Second thing they do is they reduce your inflammation, which is the basis of most breakdown in the body. Third thing they do is just critical, is they help your mitochondria, which is the energy force inside every cell in your body, convert food into energy into ATP. Pretty important. And then they have a separate task that is they clean up your DNA. So at 35 or 34, you have a certain amount of exposure, more than when you were 20. When you're 50, it'll be even higher. It's 60 even higher. Well, around 40, your stem cells drop off the cliff. Around 50, the sirtuins, the fuel of the sirtuins drops off the cliff. And that's called NAD, which I'm sure some of your people have heard about you may even spoken about. You can do NAD as an IV. It doesn't absorb a lot, though. NAD though has a precursor called NMN, like never mother, never. I'm sure you've heard of it. And so I've known about that. But I didn't understand that if you don't have enough NADN and NN, then the body has to decide between, do I help the body turn on epigenome? Do I help reduce inflammation? Because there's only so much. Do I really help it create enough energy in the cell? Or do I clean up the DNA? So imagine you have a mansion and you have a young staff. And your house looks perfect all the time. Because a young and bright, and they're on top of things, and they wake down, no one notices. They clean it up. But as they get older and slower, and then there's less resources, NAD, now the mansion starts to break down. That's aging. So what Dr. Sinclair did is figure out how to supplement that NMN. And you can go buy NMN on the, you know, look on Amazon even. And there's probably a list of a dozen or so brands that do it. So we tested six of them just for price points as a $39 a month, $129 a month. And there was no NMN in any of them. And I asked the lab guy, he said, are these people just thieves? He goes, well, most of it comes from China, so I can't say for sure. He said, but what I can tell you is much more likely is NMN breaks down in less than 30 days. So by the time it comes from China, gets to your door, there's nothing in it. So they built a more stable NMN, which we have in use. But there's something coming on what your audience know about little shut up. I've talked about some of that. This is amazing. It's so important. Yeah, so it's a company called MicroBioTec and Eden Rock, this merger, these two companies, they saw the power of NMN and they said, if you could find an MMM that was stable and was even more absorbable, it would transform people. So for example, in a mouse, they give NMN to mice and they live 30% longer. So not all my studies transfer to humans. They take an old mouse, like a 70 year old person, be like a 20 month old mouse. Okay. And they put them on a treadmill and the most they can run without collapsing is about a quarter of a kilometer. A young dynamic mouse, like a 21 year old can run four times that, a full kilometer. Wow. 14 days on NMN and the old mouse, the 70 year old mouse will run two to three kilometers, 200 to 300% more. So again, I read about this as like, well, that really transferred to humans. So this has been the break that only happened a few months ago, right before I published the book. The Special Forces in Boston for two years has been doing a private study that's been top secret about using this new form of NMN. It's called MIB 626. And it will be available in 18 to 24 months. Wow. But it got out because the commander, they just finished the two year study. First year was safety, second year was efficacy. And the commander was debriefing his team. It didn't realize there was a newspaper person in the room. So part of it got out and it was in the Daily Mail a couple of weeks ago also. And they only know a part of it. And I can't tell you the things I'm an investor in a company. I can't tell you what's not public, but I'll tell you what's public. What the commander said was, here's what I can tell you gentlemen. What happens with mice happens with the most powerful men and women in the world. I mean, the most conditioned men in the world saw massive increases in endurance, just from taking the semine. Massive increase in muscle strength without any more stimulation and most importantly increased cognitive ability, which when you're a soldier, what's going to get you to stay alive, when you're exhausted or beat up or injured, or complete the mission is going to be your brain. So they're now doing studies on COVID with it. They're doing studies with groups of 40 to 60 year olds that are just unconditioned and they're seeing the same result. So in 18 to 24 months, the FDA will have, this will not be a nutraceutical. This will be something go to your doctor. And imagine you get something that is natural, but you put in your body and now all four of those things I told you about are going full tail. Now you're turned on and off the right genes. Now inflammation's coming down and you've gotten more energy at a cellular level and your DNA's being cleaned up. So that's less than two years away from us right now. That's incredible. So you first approached it through behavior change. Now you're changing the actual part of it. You both. Yeah, you both. And that's amazing. And do you think though that, and putting together both those approaches that you've invested in from a point of view of your whole career and what you're working on now, how much is that change of behavior still going to be required because my worry is, as you know, is people say, "Okay, I'm going to take this pill and it's going to drop my inflammation, but then I'm going to eat things that create more inflammation." How does behavior change go hand in hand with that? I found that when people have more energy, I don't know what your experience is, that their behaviors change. When your low energy, kind of lethargic, even the way you think, I mean, look at what COVID has done by having people cobed up and not moving very much. I've had a chance to use this product. There's products available right now, and then I've been using those and they're very powerful. But this one is even more visceral. I mean, you feel like you're ready to buzz around. I can't wait. It blows my mind what it does, right? So I think when people feel like that, my experience is, they tend to develop different patterns. It's just like if you've ever gone on a cleanse, even for a short time, your palate changes. And all of a sudden, you don't like the things that you once like. So my hope is for people there, but I don't just rely on that as you know, because I teach people all the other ways to shift their life. But I think it's important to know that there are some tools available right now, and some coming very quickly, that will radically change the value of your health. And also, regardless for your age, it's the whole idea is like to be able to take as you get older to stay younger physiologically and psychologically and emotionally, incredibly priceless. Yeah, that's fantastic though, because that specific idea that once you've had the taste of what energy feels like, we all know that we make better decisions when we experience that. And so even if that can give people that shift, this is how you could feel. This is how you are feeling now. Then we can make better choices moving forward. And most people also, if they're going to find out about it, they've been pursuing something anyway. So it's like someone's going to pick up the book, why force? They're looking for answers. They want more energy or more strength. They want to help somebody in their family that's dealing with a real issue. They want to know the best. So it's like an encyclopedia. This is an encyclopedia. This is an encyclopedia. I was reading parts of each chapter, but this is truly an encyclopedia. By the way, the cartoons make it unencyclopedic, but these are brilliant. They're hilarious and they truly crack you up. So one of the things I wanted to dive into with Tony was that same thing that I experienced, and I want to hear it from your perspective. You've been biohacking for a long time. What are few things that you've shifted in your behavior that have created more energy, that shifts, that actually helped you expand your energy, right?

Tools and exercises to help build more energy (26:27)

Like you said, you're serving more people right now. But even when you are traveling, you're moving around the world, you're coaching sports teams, you're coaching individuals, you have groups. How have you been able to expand your energy year over year? What are some of the simple tweaks that people could do today while they wait for this amazing product? Well, there's products now, they haven't been there now. But for me, I was a vegan for about 10 years, and then I ate fish and salad basically for about 12 years. So diaterially, I've always tried to make sure that what I had was as clean as possible to start with. Then I train like a crazy person. I do oxygen restriction training type of thing so that my capacity is strong. But I'm also trying to train so I can literally do two and a half marathons on a day and another day, another day, another day, another day. For me, the most important thing I think has been for me is, believe it or not, it's been a combination of hot and cold temperatures that I use. I can start every single morning in the freezing water, and I do it for two reasons. One is it moves every bit of blood in your body and all your lymph in your system. But I also kind of train my brain to say, when I say go, we go. It's like there's never a day I look forward to going in the water. I have 56 degree water here, but in my home in Sun Valley, I go literally through the snow and get in the river, which is like 39, 40 degrees in the wintertime. But you feel so incredible when you come out, but also it's just training your brain saying, I say go, we go. It's not like, oh, I'm not ready yet. Let me wait five minutes. That becomes a discipline in your mind for everything else in your life, which is huge. And then believe it or not, SONAs, just in the last year, if they're already using SONAs, they see a huge change. I've always known about SONAs. They use them every now and then. But there's so much research on it now, and having the book that will blow your mind. Like four days a week in the SONA for just 20 minutes at 160 degrees plus, whether it's a laser type SONA, red SONA going in or a traditional one, will absolutely change your health in all ways you can imagine. Like people that don't really work out, I can get them to do this now. And they can just go sit in the SONA, but what happens is it reduces your chance of a heart attack by over 51%. I read that, yeah. Wow. It reduces your chance of a stroke by 62%. Your overall health is reduced. I mean, it, and then here's the thing, I notice it happens to people, I get doing this. They wouldn't work out. Now they do the SONA and they put some music on, and they put a movie in the background or something. And the great thing is, after doing it for about a month, sweating, everything else, now they want to work out. Now they want to do something else. So I look for the things, the quick little hacks that can make it happen. In my life, I also use cryotherapy. And cryotherapy takes your body down to minus 250, you know, Fahrenheit. It takes out like, you know, I used to ice myself because after an event, I've been, you know, running up and down the stadium walls and everything else, every ounce of me, 14 hours on stage, 12 hours on stage is gone. And I go, I used to go ice like I did in football. You know, 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off, it's painful, but I had to do it. Now I go in for two and a half minutes in a cryotherapy unit, and there's no inflammation in my body. It's just mind-boggling. For people who have osteoarthritis also, like my mother-in-law had such bad osteoarthritis, even medications weren't helping her. And she was crying at night. And it's like, I got to find an answer. That's how I found cryo. And I started reading about cryotherapy and started reading about athletes doing it. But I started reading what it does for osteoarthritis. She has no pain now, right? So they're just tools. And you don't have to own one of these things. You know, I'm fortunate enough to have one here. But, you know, you can go, there's local places all over the United States, all over the world now, where you can just go in five or ten minutes. And it's amazing. People just need to try it out. So there's lots of different tools. There's exercises you can do that I love called osteostrong. I invest in this company. It's a ten-minute workout. Sounds like total BS. This is the one that speeds up your metabolism. Yes. It also helps you build stronger bones, which most people don't care about bones. Women understand, you know, in their fifties, osteoporosis is a really huge thing. And most of the drugs will eventually fossilize the bones. This is the only thing that's been proven increased bone density by about 14%. But my athlete friends love it. I love it because when your bones are stronger, your muscles are limited by your bone strength. Otherwise, your muscles will rip open the bone, right? So this is a ten-minute exercise. You do four different exercises, and you go to a local place, you don't have to own the equipment. And literally, you're done in that time. And you see the transformation. First time I did this, I remember I worked with this woman. She was about 63 years old. And I went to Gold's gym with her because he didn't have these machines then. It was a way of doing it with weights. It was a little bit spooky if you screwed up because the weight was so heavy. And there was this guy who was like, I don't know, 25, 26 years old ponytail and sweating like crazy doing the leg press. And we had a camera crew there and she says, "Sir, you took a break and you sweat." And she goes, "Sir, can I just get a quick set in between you?" And she's in normal clothes and she's like 62 years old, 63 years old, and look like she was almost 70. And he thought he was being punked, right? He gets up and she goes, "Could you put another 100 pounds on?" Literally, another 100 pounds on. And so there's a technique where you use an extreme amount of weight for a short period of time. And it stimulates it because you don't get growth by working out. You get growth by rest. But you have to have a stimulus that's strong enough. And I started doing, you know, I had a bench press in those days, like 240 pounds. And then all of a sudden I had a bench press 525. I did 1600 pounds on the leg press. And the guy from Gold's gym came over and he's like, "You're doing this with your mind." And he's like, "No, anybody can do this." But now they have these machines so you don't have to worry about the weight being too heavy or dropping on you. So there are these little tools that can make you stronger, make you faster. And then there's simple things I never did. Like I was working on the sleep chapter at 625 in the morning and I had to be up in 2 and a half hours. I was like, "What's wrong with this?" For this picture. Because my whole thing was, my wife loves the sleep. 8 hours. 9 hours should be thrilled. My thing is all sleep when I die. But then when I was doing the research for this book, I met this doctor who's the top neurobiologist up in Northern California. He works for Google and everybody else. He's considered the top sleep doctor in the world. And he says, "Tony, I think I can convince you." And I said, "Good luck. Give me your best shot." And he said, "Well, we got a study with 1.6 billion people on sleep." And I go, "You couldn't have possibly coordinated that." And he goes, "I didn't have to. It's all the country, 70 countries that have daylight savings times." And he said, "Here's what you got in his name is Dr. Walker." He says, "Tony, all you got to do is look at the real numbers. Let me show you the numbers." And he showed me that for three days after we spring forward, you lose one hour. And every country in the world on average, heart attacks increase 24%. And when we fall back and you get one extra hour, all around the world in 70 countries, on average, 21% decrease in heart attacks. And then he does the same stats on accidents and everything else. And then he showed me stats that show a man that slept four and a half, five hours a night like I was doing. He usually had testosterone levels by somebody 10 years older than they were. They got my attention. So it's a combination of sleep. It's a combination of the right diet. It's a combination of the right stimulus of exercise. It's really doing those fundamentals that make a difference for you. And then it's doing these cool things like stem cells that completely changed my life.

What is the greatest human mindset and skill? (33:32)

What do you think, having said that, what do you think is the greatest human skill? Not habit, but mindset and skill? That's a great question. I don't know if I got the, what the grade of there's so many. It depends on what you want out of your life, right? But I think the ability to manage your own mind and emotions is probably one of the single most important. And maybe the second is the ability to influence others, because that's what makes you a leader. And hopefully you're doing that for a higher good, because there are all kinds of leaders that you know. But I think, I don't think most people are very good at emotional fitness. Most people are just not as happy as they could be. And I did one book, Money Master the Game. It's kind of like this. Only in what I did in that case, as I interviewed 50 of the smartest financial people of the world, made value of Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett. And out of 50 of them, and again, it's in my judgment. I could be completely wrong. And I've spent a lot of time with them. Some have become really good friends. There's probably four or five that are really happy people. Oh, well, money makes people unhappy. You know, money doesn't do it. Money makes you more of what you are. It just magnifies. If you're mean, you have more to be mean with. If you're kind, you have more to give, you know. But I think that most people are just, they haven't learned to manage what's going inside. It doesn't matter how much abundance they have. They're still unhappy. We've all seen people that great comedians that have killed themselves. Anthony Bourdain, beautiful man, traveled the world, killed himself, you know. Fashion designers that have done it. We've all seen all these different people, Kate Spade. And it's like, what? They had everything. Except they didn't master what's going on here and here. And you know, this is why you lived your life the way you have as well. So I think that skill set is the most important one. That's why even in the book, my last two chapters, I think it's the most important because it's really about the power of the mind. Because like everybody knows about pasebos, right? They only discovered in World War II. And it was discovered by accident. This doctor ran out of morphine. And he's treating these people that are badly injured. And you know, you need the morphine, not just so they're out of pain, but so they don't go into shock. And the actual person who discovered this, guess no credit, was a nurse. Because the nurse handed him a syringe and said, we've got some more morphine. So he believed it. And he said, you'll be out of pain in just less than a minute. Wow. He injected them. And in every case, none of them went into shock. 90% of them were out of pain and they used nothing. It was saline. So after World War II, he went back to Harvard. And he was the person that created what we now considered the double-blind studies, which are always compared to a placebo. And what most people don't know is the bigger the placebo intervention, the more powerful the mind believes it. So a small pill is less effective than a big pill. An injection is more powerful than a pill in terms of its effectiveness. The most powerful is a sham surgery. The Veterans Administration did a study. And they did it on people doing knee surgeries. And they took one third of the people and they just cut them open and emphasized them. And so the backup did nothing. A year later, this group, the group that had no surgery, had released the amount of pain, the most amount of flexibility, and most of them had it. So they stopped funding those surgeries, given idea. But that's how powerful it is. And so when you, it's even more than Harvard did a study where they took barbituets, made these big red pills and said, "This isn't amphetamine. You need to prepare your body because you're going to speed up." It didn't give them something fake. They gave them an actual drug that slows the body down and the body sped up. So most people don't understand the power of the mind. And so what I try to do is show people even in this book, here are the things that you can do to take control of your mind because if you take care of your body and then you don't take care of your mind in emotions, you're going to be miserable. Yeah. What sparked that question was something you said. You said that you start your morning by jumping in the cold. That's right. And you never feel like doing it. And you said that, "I just say to my body, it's time to go." That's right. And that's what sparked the question because I was like, "That's a really interesting skill that you trained yourself to be okay with discomfort." Yes. "You're training yourself as your first skill of the day is I am okay with uncomfortable things. And I know I can get through this." Yes. And that to me is what sounds like a really important part of emotional fitness. It is because unless you can push through discomfort, most things that are going to give you the greatest reward require discomfort initially. Right? And the discomfort, it's like my original teacher, Jerm Roney, has always said, "There's two pains in life. The pain of discipline or the pain of regret." He goes, "Discipline weighs ounces, regret weighs tons." Yeah, I said. And so I trained myself to do that. And then I meditate. Then I always make an acknowledgement call briefly or leave a voicemail for someone just because to spark the day. And then I do the first thing I do is always whatever is the most difficult. Yes. Because then you have momentum for your day. And when you train your brain to do what's difficult first, then emotional fitness just comes naturally and more importantly, so does achievement, so does your ability to contribute to other people. Because I have 105 companies now to give you an idea. I manage 13 of them directly, you know, on-goingly. And, you know, there are all kinds of different industries, from AI to, you know, my resorts and Fiji to sports teams I own. And I mean, it's insane that the dichotomy of them. We're doing $7 billion in business. So I got to do that while I'm being a good dad to five kids and five-man kids while I'm taking care of my body, while I'm living my normal mission. So if I don't take care of my body and my energy and my mind, I mean, you'd be overwhelmed by all the demands because, listen, all I got to do is pick up my phone and you're going to have all kinds of, oh, shit, that's it. Because, you know, one of the chances with thousands of employees on three, four different continents now that somebody's messing up, if messing up is not what I think they should be doing, it's 100%. So I'd always be in reaction until I train my brain to say, now, you know, problems are a sign of life and all they are challenges to be solved and what makes you a great leader is your ability to solve problems or teach teams to build a culture where they can solve problems. And so it gives me this tremendous creativity and flexibility, but I've got the base of energy to make it work. Yes, yes, exactly. And you've given yourself a permission to say this, this matters first before we get lost in the 7 billion and 105 companies and all of that. And I think that permission is often the toughest part. But one of the things that stood out to me was I sat down and this was a really beautiful answer that I want to share with you because I think it will spark where I want to go next. I interview a lot of Navy SEALs and I like sitting down with people about extreme experiences because I feel that extreme experiences have opened up different parts of the brain, different parts of the body that we've never had. And the spirit. And the spirit too, exactly. And one of the people I sat down with was Jocko Willink. Yes, I love it. He's been a leader for 25 years and incredible Navy SEAL, highly accomplished. And I asked him, and we were on Zoom, right? This was during the pandemic. So I didn't even get to have this within. And that's what I'm so grateful for this. I sat with him and I said to him, I said, you've done everything that's difficult and uncomfortable, potentially known to human beings in your field. What's the most difficult thing you've ever done? And I didn't know what to expect and I never do. I try not to project or predict what I think someone's going to say. And he said to me, said, the most difficult thing that I've been through is watching a fellow trooper go down next to me and having to carry on the mission without getting the moment to save, to mourn, to hold, to carry. He goes, they just have to continue the mission. And that was just an answer that he could have said, oh, I was standing in the cold water. I was doing this, I was doing that. And so I wanted to ask you, what was the most difficult thing when you know all this and you've seen someone's pain? And either they weren't willing to apply it.

Three decisions we make in our life (40:58)

You saw them too late. Has there been someone in your life that you're like, I had all these tools to help them with, but they weren't ready to receive or that it wasn't accessible at that time for them? Has there been that? Or have you found that you've always found a way to get through? And not even you personally. I mean, in your personal life too. Yeah, I first of all identify, I agree with what Jacques told you, which is dealing with the loss of someone you care about is probably the most difficult thing of all. I would say maybe as a child seeing the level of frustration between my parents, you know, I had four different fathers and watching them kind of accept whatever life gave them. It's why a lot of my drive came about is seeing my fathers be berated by my mother who I love dearly and just watching them break down. Like, you know, probably the single most painful event of my life, but also shaped me in such a beautiful way was when I was 11 years old, we had no money for food and it was Thanksgiving, which in America is a big holiday feast. And so we've been without food before. We have crackers and butter and we survived. We weren't going to have a Thanksgiving feast. And there's knock at the door and I go the door and there's this giant guy there with groceries in each hand and he had a pot beside him on the ground with the uncooked turkey. And I just like I said, who are you here for? You go, I'd like speak to your father and my mom and dad were yelling at each other saying things that you can never take back and I'm trying to make sure my younger brother and sister, their five and seven years younger wouldn't hear any of this. And that day changed my life because I thought it was going to be the most exciting day. Dad, dad, go to the front. What is it? I said, it's for you. You answered. No, it's for you. I remember, open the door and I was just so excited to see my father be happy. Like, we're going to have a feast. This is going to be incredible. And he got angry. And he's like, we don't accept charity. He went to slam the door in the man's face. And the man's foot was there so it bounced off his foot. And he's like, sir, I'm just the delivery guy. He said, it's not charity. Everybody has a tough time. Someone bought this and they're sending it to you as a gift. And my father said, we don't take charity. He goes to close the door again. This time the guy's shoulder was there also. So it bounced off again. And then I was standing right there and there's this moment I'll never get where the man looked at my father. And he looked at me and he said, sir, don't let your ego make your family suffer. And the veins on my dad's face on the side of his neck. I'll never forget the balls. I like his face turned around. I thought he was going to punch him in the face. And then there's this moment my dad's shoulder's dropped. He took the groceries. Slam the door. Didn't say thank you. And stormed off. And I was remember thinking, like, how come he's not happy? You know, you talk about pain. It's like, I love my father so much. And he, there's basically three decisions that I think everybody makes in their life that whether aware of it or not moment to moment. I figured this out afterwards because I was so obsessed with what's wrong because he eventually left our family. And that was the most painful thing ever happened. So it's like feeling like I failed. You know, I blame myself. Like, why couldn't get through to my father? You know, I was 11 years old. But later on it helped me understand that three decisions are first you're gonna decide what to focus on. Every moment of your life, there's something grabbing your focus. And you don't experience life. You experience the part of life you focus on. Right? What's wrong is always available. So is what's right. Right? And they're different kinds of focus. And my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it. And I hadn't taken care of his family. There's no funny for Thanksgiving. Somebody had to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about once you focus on something is what does it mean? Is this the end or the beginning? If you're thinking it's the end of a relationship, you're gonna behave different than it's the beginning, right? My dad's meaning was that he was worthless. And so then the third decision is what do I do, which whatever meaning come up with creates the emotions, which affects what you do and what he said to do is leave her family. But for me, it was like, this is amazing. I mean, you know, we haven't had Thanksgiving. You know, this is incredible. We have food. What a concept. And then the meaning, though, is what changed my whole life, which was, wow, strangers care. That completely changed my life. That painful experience. I couldn't deny that somebody who wanted no credit delivered this food to my family. And so what I decided to do is say, someday I'm gonna do this for another family. So when I was 17, I had two families and it was a euphoric experience. I went in jeans and a t-shirt and go like the delivery guy, but I wanted to see the face of the people. And then next year was four people. And then it was eight. And literally my thing was doubling. And I had a little company. And then I got to a million people here. And I got to four million people here. Then I was doing Money Master the Game. I'm interviewing these billionaires, Jay. And I'm watching Congress cut food stamps. It's not called the SNAP program. By, I think it was six billion dollars. So every family that actually needs food, and my family was one of those back then, they all have to come up with a week's worth of food out of every month. So I was like, I called my team and I said, how many people have I fed? I didn't know that was 42 million meals. I was like, it's pretty cool. And I was like, what if I fed 50 million people? Like my entire lifetime in one year. And there was like, what if I did 100 million? What if I fed a billion people in 10 years? So that was seven years ago, we're at 850 million meals, right? And I'm gonna hit the billion earlier than what my promise and targeted. And then I've got a sustainable approach. But I tell you that because my worst day was my best day. My most painful day of the day where I felt like I'd do the least where I felt infinite led me to have new understandings, new skills, new capacities, new drives, new hunger. I mean, would I really be feeding 100 million people a year, 100 million meals a year if I was well fed as a child? Probably not. And I'd love to believe I'm such a perfect person. But no, I'm just, I just know what suffering feels like. So I don't want anybody else to suffer, you know? So I think sometimes the suffering experiences of our life, if we don't let them crush us, we let them drive us, they actually become the best day in your life. And taking your worst day and making your best day is a beautiful target for anybody. That is just, it's magical even hearing it. Because magical experience, it's my life. Yeah, exactly. I can only imagine like just hearing it. I'm just, you know, it's such a beautiful visual. So to live it is just, you know, on the other end of that. Thank you for sharing that so much. It's so profound and so wonderful with the question. That's what you see. You see, there's grace in life too. It's like, if you can, like I was thinking the early days, because my mom was beautiful. She was the most influential person in my life. And yet she also, when she drank alcohol and took prescription medication, she got crazy. So she smashed my head against the anti-bladder, feed me liquid soap. And I never told me about so much as a lie, but I had this group of young kids that I could see. Tall white guy who seems to be quite successful. You know, what is he knows? I told him the whole story. But out of all that, it's like if my mom had been the mother I wanted her to be, I'd probably not be the man I'm proud to be. Like I had a girl, I had to become a practical psychologist at 11 to manage her so that my brother and sister weren't messed up. And it's like, there's grace in everything. I always think it's like, it's our job to realize the life's happening for us, not to us, and to find how it's happening for us. That's our job. If we do that, then we have a magical life. If we don't. But if your energy's low and you're exhausted, then you don't find those empowering meanings. You know, that's why to me, you can't separate the mind and the body. You gotta feed the mind and strengthen the body on a daily basis in some way. And if you do that, life can be pretty miraculous. Yeah, and I did that for too long. I can actually relate to that. It was my wife that turned me on to the body because I was one of those people that focused on the mind and the spirit. And as I shared with you earlier, ignore the body. Because I thought, well, I'm young, I've always been healthy. I don't really know what physical health looks like. And then my wife is a nutrition, a dietitianist, and I already held counselor. Counselor, she comes into my life and she's just like, you need to do this, this, this, this. You need to change this and you die. And I'm thinking, why are you asking me to change? But it was so fascinating to me because it's exactly what you just said.

Your focus is controlled by your values and belief systems (48:55)

You can't disconnect the two. And going on that, you said focus in mood about your father. We have a whole section in here dedicated to focus in mood. Walk us through that because what you just explained to us is the emotional focus in mood of your father. But here you're talking about how the physicality of focus in mood can affect them. They go together. I'll give an example how powerful they are for the psychological side. Right now, you don't have to have COVID. So many people have been shut down and terrible place. And I'm sure you've seen that drug overdoses at the largest they've ever been in history is over 100,000 people last year. Suicide's one out of four kids under the age of 30, according to the CDC, whether accurate or not, I don't know, have considered suicide sometime the last two years. Because we all need a compelling future. We need to look something we look forward to. So Stanford came to me and their genetics lab has been doing research on depression. And what they found was that by doing meta studies is only 40% of the people who go in for therapy, who they get drugs and therapy together usually, only 40% make any improvement. 60% don't improve at all. That's not a lot more than what you can get on some placebo's. And so they approached me and said, a couple of people went through one of your programs. One was clinically depressed. They're not anymore. But we don't have any science on this. Would you be one of us to do a science test? I said, sure. So they came out to the state with Destiny seminar I do, which helps people to change their values and belief structures. I don't tell them what they need to be. They figure out what it needs to be. And it changes the way you perceive life, the way you experience life, how you feel, what you do. It's a rewiring of your model of the world, basically, in six days. And so they said, we're going to model this after the greatest breakthrough they found in science that no one able to follow up on. About two years ago, Johns Hopkins did a study on depression. I think it gave people psilocybin, which comes from magic mushrooms. And they did therapy for 30 days. And at the end of it, 53% of the people were depression free 30 days later. Never happened. Like when we say 40% are helped, the average amount of help is 50% less depressed. That's what the average is. Some people completely turn around. Some people are going to roll. In this one, 53% of the people. So it was four times the result of any drug that ever been done. But unfortunately psilocybin is not legal. So they're still working on that. And they said, we're going to copy that exact study. And we're going to have a group that they compared to, which is, then go to the seminar, the comparison group is going to do gratitude journaling and so forth, because positive psychology talks about that. And they said, that's probably what this seminar does, is just positive thinking. Well, the cool thing was when they came out, the results were so amazing at Stanford that they went and had two new additional double blind people do the research, because it just seemed so ridiculous. At the end of the first week, 63% of people had no depression symptoms. At the end of six weeks, it can increase through time. 100% of the people had no depression symptoms. 19% of the people had suicidal ideation, zero had suicidal ideation, and blows away any study. It just came out, it's coming out next week in the psychiatric journal, which is Journal of Medical and Medical Association, Psychoget Journal, or the two top journals in the field. They can't even believe it. So they're going to do more. And the actual scientific article says, this is more powerful than any drug therapy or any forms of normal therapy combined. And what are we doing? We're getting people to change, basically, those three questions to some extent. Because your values control what you focus on. If you're security driven and you're here down to my basement right now, you're like, where's the exit? You came down a slide, like, how do I get out of here? If you're adventure driven, you don't care. You don't even know where it is. So your focus is controlled by your values and your belief systems. The meaning of things is controlled by your belief systems. So those three decision-making things, what I'm going to focus on, what does it mean, what I'm going to do, shift. And one good example of this, Jay, is maybe your audience can relate to this. We just took three patterns. So let's say, focus, most people have a focus either on what they have or what's missing. We both, we all do both. But what do you think most people focus on more often, what they have or what's missing? What's missing? That's right. Now, even achievers do that. It's not like somebody's not successful. It's one of the reasons you see these achievers that no matter what they do, it's never enough. Because think about it, if you're always focusing what's missing from your life, how can you sustain happiness? It's software that will not allow that. You feel happy for a little moment and then you're not just missing again. What do you think some more often people focus on what they can control or can't control? Well, they can't control it. Yeah. And my seminars, it's can control. That's why they go. I want to learn how to control my body or my finances or my business, whatever it is. So it's the opposite. But the average person, it's what they can't control. And with COVID, there's so much you can't control around you that people really sunk in that. Well, how's someone going to feel? Just everyone think about it. If you're constantly focused on what's missing from your life and what you can't control. And then we'll add one more. Do you focus more on the past, the present or the future? We all do all three, but we tend to have one we focus more on. Where do you think more people focus? That's right. And achievers focus on the future and happy people on the present. So, if you're going to be achiever, the idea is the present so you experience it, anticipating the future so you can shape your life. But the past, you can't change. So I ask people in the seminars, you've got stadium 15, 20,000 people. And they'll say, "How many of you know somebody that takes antidepressants and they're still depressed?" And 80% of the room raised their hand saying, "Me know somebody." Wow. Well, how come? Because all antidepressants do is numb you so that you're less intense, but they don't deal with the source of the problem, which is you're constantly seeing what's missing. And it doesn't matter whether you're successful or not. That's why there are these people that have been wealthy and think their own life. They see what's missing. They focus on all the things they can't control. There's plenty we can't control. But there's plenty we can influence and plenty we can't control. Just a couple of changes like that completely change someone's life. And so those changes in the beliefs and values change what they look moment to moment, change their experience of life. They're no longer depressed. Yeah, the biggest thing that I learned from that, apart from all the incredible stuff you said, is I didn't think about security once when we came down to the slide. That's either because I trust you a lot. And with you, if it was someone else telling me to get down to the slide, I don't know if I would have done it. But now I'm like going, "Oh, wait a minute. We're under water." Now I'm starting to have all the thoughts. That's incredible. Yeah, those questions are fascinating to me. And you were saying that the people that come to your seminars are people that are the opposite. And I think the same of the people I listen to this podcast, they're choosing to listen to this podcast. Because they want to take charge. Or they're just watching a show or binge watching another series. They're here trying to take charge of that.

The mindset that should keep nurturing (55:36)

That's right. What kind of assurance can you give them that that mindset is one that they should keep watering. Because I feel that often, and you've probably heard this in your seminars time and time again, people are like, "Tony, I'm trying. I read the book. I'm trying to put into practice, but I still keep failing or I still keep struggling." Someone who's already on but feels that failure, that rejection, that pushback, what can keep them going? I think it's understanding there's no replacement for persistence as simplistic as that is. It's like disappointment either destroys you or drives you. And you have to decide which one it's going to be. If you don't consciously decide, there's always going to be more BS for you to deal with. And I think, but that's why I think when I do my events, the reason I do the 12 hours a day, not because I like talking, it's just that I can tell you something all day long or I can get you to build the muscle. And the build the muscle is like experiencing it. I always tell people a belief, a belief is a poor substitute for an experience. Like I could have a belief about you, but I experience you. So I get to know who you are, right? The same thing is true is that I give a belief about China. I have a belief about working out. So I try to get people experiences that are so profound. And then, you know, the studies they did, they found people 12 months later, 11 months later, we're still in the middle of COVID. They did my digital seminar. And you know, they measured my body like the amount of times I jump. I jump a thousand times a day and I weigh 282 pounds and I come down four times the body weight. So it's a thousand pounds times a thousand pounds of pressure. My lactic acid, if you've ever been with a friend and you're running and you can't talk, the point you can't talk is the level four of lactic acid. I'm in an 18, still speaking. So they decided to do that on my audience. And they found an interesting pattern. It's the same group that works with some of the Super Bowl champions and some of the Stanley Cup champions and so forth. There's a ratio in the body of testosterone versus cortisol, the stress hormone. And when the ratio is balanced, they call it the championship bloodline, blood stream. It literally gets you to follow through. So when they did my audience in my live seminar, they found that people literally mirror me all the way through the experience. That's phenomenal. That is phenomenal. But then we did it because all of a sudden overnight they said to me, we're going to San Francisco and the governor of California says you only have 10 people and we have 15,000. So I was like, we'll go to Vegas. They'll never shut down Vegas. They shut down Vegas. I was like, okay, well, do 1500 movie theaters with 10 people in him. They shut down the movie theaters. Like, okay, we'll go to a church in Houston. I got a buddy. I'll rent his church 15, 15,000 people. They're not going to keep Costco open and shut down the church. They kept Costco open and shut down the church. So I finally said, okay, I'm not going to do some crap people. I'm going to do some crap people webinar. So I get this vision. I'm going to build this facility with 20 foot high LED screens, 50 feet wide all around me. I'm going to call Eric on it zoom. I'm going to get them from 1000 up to 25,000 people so I can interact with people live in real time and build an app so they can shake it. And the more people do it, the louder it gets. So it's real. So I built this whole thing. So now we're doing bigger events than ever in our entire history. But they did the same measurements on them in different parts of the world and saw the exact same mirroring process. Wow. And the average person. Even digitally. It's the perfect effort. Yeah. 71% of the people they had 71% drop in negative emotions, 53% improvement in positive emotions. And 11 months later in the middle of COVID, it held because it's a biochemical change. So when people say, I'm trying, I read that's, I write books because it's an easy entry point to people. There's so much you can learn from the book. But there's nothing like the experience. That's why I do the events. And like this last two years, because of COVID, I did two like six day free events. We had 800,000 people attend for six days, just four weeks ago, because I just wanted people to have answers where they are. And then people start to see they get momentum, but it's hard to do just reading something or watching a couple of, you know, 20 minute or 15 minute little pieces on YouTube. Those are great. They might inspire you. But a transformation requires emergence. It's like, if you ask average person, did you study a foreign language in school? Most people, yeah, high school, college, speak it. They don't. But if you turn around and you said, okay, what if you want to learn Italian and I just took you to Rome and dumped you off for six weeks with no teacher, you're going to come back six weeks later speaking Italian. So it's immersion. And if you want to master something, I think that's the thing most people don't do. They read a little bit, they listen a little bit, they dip in and out. They don't go day and night, night and day and total immersion and something that transforms them. And also something that makes them push through their fears. Yes. Because in the end, that's the only thing that stops you. Everybody's got a story. I didn't know this person. I don't have the resources. They have all the things they don't have. But if you're resourceful, you can get the money. You can get the time. You can get the energy. You can get anything you want. And you've got to get over your fear to be resourceful. So we do experiences that are so physiologically profound that those fears do not stop you anymore. And that's how we get people to get 10 years later, they're still transformed from an experience that was one weekend. The fact that people are mirroring you, that is even more than a curve. It's like a green. That is mind-blowing. It is mind-blowing. And that's what we're screen to. That blew my mind even more. But you know what's really cool about the screens is if you're in my seminar, you're in a giant stadium and I'm a dot. Most people watching me on a screen anyway, unless you're in the front rows. But I can see your eyes, I feel what's going on. I'm running around the building. Here I can scan so many people and I see them in their home. I see them with their children. I see the interaction with their husband or their wife. I see what they're eating. And I'm with them 12, 13 hours a day for three or four days. And we start here, for example, at 10 a.m. and we're in 195 countries. So we got one for 25,000 people, March 17th to the 20th here. And we will have people in Australia starting at midnight and going until one in the afternoon. They're in the next day for four days. And people in Italy are doing it at different times. So it's like we literally have the whole world engaged. So that's been the blessing of COVID. It's like always tell people you use stress or stress uses you. I had to figure out how to use COVID and I wanted to serve people when we found the way. But again, none of this happens even when I'm in a fantasy. Because your brain will just go, "Oh, man, I've tried everything." Yeah, you've walked yourself out of it. And the thing I love about immersion in events or retreats is that you actually build friendships. Like the community that's good. The community for sure. The community of that accountability. If we're doing this together, we're running together, we're building together that. There are people who think like me and look like me. I'm intrigued, Tony, at this stage in your life, what do you look for in a friend?

What do you look for in a friend? (01:02:01)

In a friend? Yeah. That's an interesting question. Most of my friends are people that are unbelievably driven to contribute. I mean, I think, you know, if you want an extraordinary life, you don't have to do that much to have a good life for yourself. So it's like most of us, if you find something, you care about more than yourself. And I know you know what I'm talking about, Jay. And you want to serve something. You and I both, I think, see what we do as a calling. It's not a work per se. It was work. I don't need to work every other day of my life. But I'm called, you know? So I think my friends are people that are called. And my friends are people that are funny because I love to laugh. But they're just, I love, I'm the kind of guy I'm so easy. If I go to a movie and somebody sacrifices and does the right thing, you know, I cry my eyes out. It's just like, I've done, since I was a little boy, there's something inside me that just says, that's the goodness of the human spirit. You know? And so my friends are people that are made up of that, basically. And I have friends that are incredibly successful with the best in the world if they do. I have a lot of friends that are 18 years my senior, 20 years my senior. And I've known them since they were, you know, 45. And now they're 75 or 80. And so they've given me kind of see the road ahead. Everybody's path is different. But the road of life changes. And I'm, you know, I'm in a stage of my life now where I'm, I'm able to mentor people at a different level. You know, just because I've had so many life experiences, I'm going to take it to history. You know, I've been there with Gorbachev at the point when he's trying to figure out what to do, or Princess Diana, when she's deciding does she want to no longer be Princess? You know, I've had some wild experiences. The greatest athletes in the world at key moments in their careers. So I've had these cool tickets to history which have put things in such a perspective that when stuff happens, upsets people's like, you know, compared to what? Yeah. It's like, you know, it's pretty simple compared to what most people happen to go through. So I felt really blessed. But I hope people in the book, one of the things I hope people pick up that, you know, young people don't think about very much is testing.

Latest breakthroughs in medical science (01:04:00)

I was never a person that will kind of like you with your wife, right? I'm going to do this thing. And then in order to perform, I've learned every biohack. But like, I don't want to get in the system to get measured. But today, there's some amazing tests. So like, I was used to be afraid of cancer. There's a brand new test. One thing in common the book I should mention is, I tell you all these stories of these amazing endings that have created these breakthroughs. And what they all have in common, these huge breakthroughs, some of which took 20 or 30 years and are just now available. They all lost somebody. They lost a wife or a husband or a child or a close patient. And it drove them not to accept the standard of care and find a new solution. And so one of those is this test called "Grail." It's a simple blood test that anybody can do now. It just came out nine months ago, eight months ago. And it allows you to test your body for any cancer in your body. And it's like, why is that important? Because the National Cancer Institute did a study and they found that if you get diagnosed at stage two, or stage three or four, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer I have a 20% chance of living and figuring that out. But their point is well made. It's hard to turn around. If you get it at stage one or two, you have an 80 to 99.9% chance of living. So with cancer, it's going to affect most people in their lifetime. Be able to do a quick blood test or an MRI for those pieces and know exactly what's going on in your body. It's amazing. We had a doctor, a gentleman that came to one of our centers and he had already had his physical and his wife said, "I want you to have the very best." And he's like, "I've already done the negative attitude, but we understood." And one of the doctors said, "Listen, let's do the "Grail" test on you. He'd already had your analysis, blood tests, traditional and physical. And the guy ended up having bladder cancer. But it was really early stage. He caught it early. So it was a 20 minute outpatient procedure. He has no cancer. If he wouldn't have caught it, he got a real problem. Another one is it's called a CCTA scan. It's brand new. It's one of my doctor friends and partners in one of my businesses called me up and he says, "Tony," and he's like, "Mr. Understated. He built 12 hospitals." And then he sold them because he wants to be in prevention and regeneration. And he says, "Tony, there's been one of the greatest breakthroughs in cardiology that I've seen in the last 10 years. You've got to come check it out. What is it?" He goes, "When a doctor does a CCT scan, usually you don't get that unless you've got a problem. There's a lot. It's hard to read those scans. They're very grave. Your very skills don't miss it. But there's this new scan now that uses AI and it literally opens every artery in your body. Because what they're looking for is soft plaques. Soft plaques can break off and it's called the Widowmaker. You give your heart attack or a stroke. And it happens to people now 35, 40 years old. It's happening younger and younger because of the lifestyles that we've taken on. But what's interesting is hardened calcium, which is what they see when they do just a traditional scene, is healed. So I've heard about it and said, "I'm going to go do the scan." And I took my father-in-law with me because he's 80 years old. And people around you, when you get older, start saying you should organize your affairs. And I could just see his energy drop. He's a great guy. And when I took him to the scan, he's perfect. He's absolutely perfect. And his entire attitude changed. Plus, we have this stuff we do for a lot of the great athletes think their career's over. Where they scan a theory where you've had an injury and they use ultrasound. And then they use this fluid, aminol fluid. And they open up the channel so that a nerve that's been trapped or somebody heals. It heals in minutes. And so my father-in-law also has this hip problem. He held his hip problem in 30 minutes. His heart's perfect. We get on the airplane the way home. And he looks at me and goes, "You know, Tony, these people talk about living in a hundred and ten and they're 20. I don't know about that. But I could live another 20 years. I've got a great heart. I've got this great body. And he's like, "And I'm walking perfectly." He goes, "You've only been married to my daughter 22 years. That's like another lifetime." And so what I love is what it does for people. And then a same thing with hormones. You know, when somewhere between 35 and 40, sometimes early 40s, hormones start to change radically. Women are more tuned to hormones. But they've learned hormone replacement therapy. But like I had a guy that came as 39 years old, gained like, I don't know, I think it was like 35 years ago. He was like 35, 38 pounds or something like that. Really working out hard, making no progress, lost his sense of drive. And we said, "Well, if you look at your hormones." He goes, "Yeah, my doc looked at my hormones. My hormones are fine." When we look at the blood tests, and his hormones, I think, were his testosterone was like 160. Most men don't feel alive, but unless they have 700 to 800, some as much as 1,000. So he doesn't need replacement technically to be alive. But to have his body functioning an ideal was missing. So all he did was small amount of testosterone. Total transformation loses weight, got his drive, got his libido back, got everything else back. So there's some little things you can do. There's metal tests. I had a really bad, a bad hit with mercury. Because I was a vegan. Then I felt like I needed some other form of protein, so I started eating fish. Now all I had was salvely fish, salvely fish. But I had tuna and swordfish are my favorites. Those are 75 year old fish that eat all the smaller fish. And we polluted the water so much now. They're filled with mercury. And so I went to go get this set of tests and they tested me on a 0-5, where 5 is extremely concerning. I was 123. And so I spent the last 4-5 years getting that mercury out of my body. It literally was making it interrupt your ATP or energy level. Like if you start feeling foggy or exhausted or tired, it can be metals. And about 1 out of 3 people, including friends who are 25 years old, because of an environment right now, they go and they discover they've got cadmium or they've got lead or they've got mercury. So I really encourage people to go do that metals test. If you're not feeling great, a lot of times when people think it's aging, it's just metals. And you can get them out of your system when they're small and it's a hell of a lot easier than what I've come through my life. And it's really interesting because you keep pushing, you can get lost in the fact that it's all in your head. And the truth is it isn't always all in your head. It's here. It's not as physiological as well. I had that recently where I was actually feeling fine, but I went and did a lot of micronutrient tests, a lot of other tests. I want to go and do a lot of the tests you just recommended. I'm going to definitely ask you where I should go. But I went and did a basic vitamin D test. I've been doing this since I was a kid. And I went and my doctor and my health coach was looking at the stats and everything. And she said to me, she said, "J, you're out of 10. The average is 60 and 100 is good." She goes, "I don't know how you get out of bed in the morning." And then I'm like, "D3 affects your hormones." Yeah, and I was like, "I get out of bed just fine." And she couldn't believe that I would... You can overcome a lot with your psychology. Correct. I was doing the same thing with Mercury in my body. Correct. But I was thinking, imagine if my body was there too. Exactly. Like, just imagine what would be possible. Yeah. And I think that's why I love what you've done with this book, Life Force, because that's what it's praising emphasis on. It's like, go get tested. Go check it out. And then you use the language of coaches, not commanders. Yes. Right? Like, we're not trying to... You're not saying to anyone, "This is exactly what to do and this is how to do it." You're saying, "Please go and experiment with these things. Please go and practice them. Implement them into your life." That's right. And I cannot wait to figure out how to implement all these things in my life, because I think it's so easy to sit back when you're in your 20s, in your 30s. Yes. And just go, "I'm okay right now. Things are okay. I can eat. I can pretty much get away with a bad night out or a cheer. You know what else or what this before you in the subtitle says it? It's for you and somebody you love. Yes. Because I love that. If you're at the stage of life you're in, you're going to start finding more people, whether it be your parents or someone else is in a challenge. And so there's... Like, for me at this stage of my life, I know so many people that I don't know, two times a month at least, someone calls me and they have found me with cancer. Or somebody's starting to develop Alzheimer's or somebody who had a stroke. And I don't know what the hell to do before, right? Because the standard of care is so weak in those areas. But here you've got answers that'll blow your mind. Or, you know, somebody with Parkinson's, for example, like in grandma or somebody like that. There's this new technique. It's unbelievably ultrasound. It's called incisionless brain surgery. They don't cut you open anyway. I saw this woman who's on 15 medications. And I don't know if you've seen somebody at Parkinson's, but they can't even hold a glass. They can't... She couldn't walk across the room. And it's an outpatient process. It's in a hundred universities and it's covered by insurance now. This is unbelievable. This isn't what most people don't know about it. You go in, it takes about an hour to find the pinpoint spot that's creating the tremor. They treat it for 30 seconds. The woman comes out of MRI, right? And she gets up, walks across the room. I'm watching her. And then some of you have a glass and it doesn't hit her. Like at first... I don't know if you've ever seen somebody get those audio implants when they hear for the first time. They cry. Yeah. Well, when they enter the glass and she can hold the glasses, she just started crying uncontrollably. That was two years ago. Two months ago, she did a 50-mile bike ride. Right? I mean, that's the kind of tools that are available. Wow. If you've got osteo... Someone's got osteoarthritis. And even kids, 35, 40 years old, they're athletes can create some real challenges in their body there. There's a new injection. This is not approved yet. It's a phase three trial. So phase one is safety. Then phase two is efficacy. And then phase three is efficacy. It's scale. Then you get approved. So it's in the final stage. They think it'll be approved either in the fall or spring of next year. One injection. It's got osteoarthritis. It's causing your own stem cells to regrow all your tendons based on the original DNA input. So it's like 16-year-old tendons, even if you're 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old. And no more osteoarthritis, brand new tendons inside your body. So this is the kind of world we're in right now. These are things that are happening right now that people just don't know about. And why don't we know about them? Why is it that you have to go and dig old? Because it seems like what you've done is you've mined. I've got it in my best. You've become a gun in mind and gone to the very best to bring this to the fore. Like all my billionaire friends, they all know this because they all want the cutting edge. All I did was kind of took what I did with Money Master the Game. That's how I got introduced to some of this. And also it was my own needs. I tore my rotator cuff so severely. I was at a falling a 22-year-old professional snowboarder down the hill. And I'm not a professional snowboarder. I could not make those moves. And literally when I woke up was unconscious, I thought I broke my neck. I ripped my rotator cuff. So what do you do? I go to four different doctors. They all say, "surgery, surgery, what's the prognosis?" Well, you may not lift your arm above your shoulder again. You could tear again how long to repair, how long did rehab? Four to six months. I'm going to be on stage doing this with one arm over here. So I worked with a lot of Grace of all time athletes. Christian Ronaldo was supposed to be out for three months. He did stem cells. It took him two and a half weeks. So I was like, "What about stem?" "No, no, they don't work. They don't work." And then I was like, "I have a final doc literally looked me in the face." And he was a fan of my work. I didn't know going there. And he's like, "Oh my God, you're the Tony Robbins." "No, you saved my marriage. You made me all this money." He did it. And he goes, "Thanks for hearing that. But now I got to be your doctor." And he puts my spine up and he goes, "Life as you know it is over." Literally when he said to me. And I said, "Well, you clearly didn't go to my communication seminar." And he's like, "This is not funny. Don't make a joke. This is real." And he goes, "You have severe spinal stenosis. I've been pain for 14 years." And he goes, "One good hit and you're quite a pleagie." "No more jumping. No more running. No more life." And I'm like, if you're hitting the stomach and you're ready for it, I wasn't ready for it. And I'm like, "I'm going to be honest. There's two hours in my feeling like my life was over." And then I got my head back. And then I was like, "Okay, I'm going to check out stem cells." And I met Bob Parari, well, the top guys in the world. He told me where to go. In the United States, the ones I needed for your elbow, your knee, your own stem cells might work. But if you're doing a shoulder in the back or something, you need something more powerful. And he said, "You need four-day-old stem cells." I go, I said, "I don't want something that comes from baby." He goes, "No, no, no." He goes, "When babies are born, the cord is filled with this and the placenta's filled with these." And so I went and did four days of treatment, just an hour a day of an IV and a shot. First day I felt sleepy. Second day I had a cytokine response. I wasn't scared and knew it was going to shake in freezing for 20 minutes. But then I woke up the next morning and now it was my shoulder program. You and my shoulder, you wouldn't even believe it. No downtime, no surgery, but my spinal stenosis is gone. I got no pain in my spine and I've had that for 14 years. So it's like, that made me, that's why I wrote this book. I became obsessed. Even the Pope invited me to come speak. The Pope puts on the biggest regenerative conference every two years and they wanted me to clean up speaker. I'm like, "I'll do that, but I want to go through all four days." And then I met all these people who were sent home to die with cancer who have been turned around, stage four cancer because they, some of the techniques in this book. I met Jack Nicholas, the greatest golfer of all time. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes. The pain was so bad. And now he's, he did, was supposed to have a spinal fusion, which he did not do, thank God. He did stem cells and now he's 82 playing golf and tennis again. So I was like, I became an evangelist. And then I just, I went and said, I want to learn the best of everything and I learned it was much more than stem cells. It's this, just like you see technology doubling in power every 18 months and having a cost, we are code now. So most people have heard of CRISPR. I mean, we're literally curing diseases that would ever have been cured in history before and we're at the beginning of the beginning of that growth curve. So it's only up from here and the opportunities are extraordinary, but you can think of yourself but you can also think of people you love who might need your help and now you have answers. Definitely. I'm so grateful to you, Peter and Robert, for putting this book together because I, like I said, I just dived into it and into each chapter and it's just so comprehensive. It's so dense. It's got every study and research that you need to convince you that it's out there. And now, and I love what you just added to what I was saying that we need to go use it for the people we love. If it's not for us, let's go use it for them. And then one day because you helped everybody else, I'll be there for you. Exactly. And I'll tell you, you have been so generous with your time. Thank you. I've enjoyed it with you very much, too. So generous with your energy. Thank you. And of course, in doing all the work and putting this book together, you can tell that I'm writing my second book right now. And I can tell that when you see a book that is this well-reasted, this deeply done, you know that a lot of work has gone into that. So I want to recommend, we're going to put this in the link, in the caption, in the comment section, everywhere the link to this book, I know that it's already been an incredible international best-selling book all over the world. So if you haven't already got it, I highly recommend you go and get it. Get it for a friend, too. Get it for a family member. Get it to give it to someone as well, if you know that they need this right now. And of course, get it for yourself. And we're donating 100% of the profits in this book, as I've done in all three of my books, last three books, to Feeding America, the soy feeding 20 million meals there. And so besides helping yourself, you're up and other people. And then the balance is going for Alzheimer's cancer and heart disease research from three of the best researchers in the world. So hopefully the book not only changes your life, but it'll also help other people, too. Yeah, that's phenomenal. So you're contributing as well as... 100% of it, yeah. Which is absolutely beautiful. No, I'm saying the audience gets a contribution to you, simply by even buying the book. So even buying the book is contributing. That's true.

Closing Questions

Tony on Final Five (01:18:41)

Tony, we end every on-purpose interview with the final five. These are five questions that are aimed at. Usually one word to one sentence answers. Okay. Super capable of that. Yeah, you and I don't even want to do it with you. I'm like, I don't want to do that with you. I want to break the rules. I'm like, why am I going to restrict your greatness to that? Anyway, so here we go. These are your final five. We can apparently go off-piste. I do know. Sure you go for it. I don't care at all. All right. Question number one is, what is the best advice you've ever received? I think for me, my original teacher was Jim Rohn when I met him on a 17. And I wanted to know why all my fathers were broke because they were good men. I loved all four of my fathers. And I remember him saying, Tony, we're all equal as souls, but we're not equal in the marketplace. I was like, what does that mean? And he said, well, think about it. He goes, you need to become more valuable if you want to have economic freedom. He said, you have to work on yourself more than anything else. And you have to work on it in a way where there's something you can do for others better than anyone else, or at least more, a better quality. And he gave me an example of working at McDonald's. And he said, if you work at McDonald's, you make whatever it was in those days, $5 an hour, whatever it was. And he said, I go, yeah, but that seems so unfair. And he goes, yeah, and teachers, I give an example of teachers. And there's these billionaires that make $1 billion in a year hedge fund guy. And he said, Tony, the guy he just mentioned, he provided a 40% return last year. And that went to nonprofits and everything else. He said, that means those organizations double their money almost every two years. He is adding massive value, $100 billion, so he made a billion. He goes, this person is doing a job that anyone can learn in 20 minutes or half a day. So it's a beginning job. He said, you got to think of it as one thing. It's all about adding value. How can you do more for others than anybody else in the world? And that stuck with me. I mean, I decided I wanted to do more for this than anybody in the world in order to do that. I had to have certain skills and I went after those skills and they still do. It's like it's a never ending thing if you think you're a master, you're full of it, right? So I think that's probably some of the best advice I've received, at least on life and business and direction and it affected my mission. Yeah, that's great. Second question, what's the worst piece of advice you've ever heard? The worst piece of advice. You've ever heard, not received, maybe received. Oh my God. Well, I've had lots of these advice about what they do in my body, which would have, you know, like the really sweet man, like sincere man. Yes, yes. And I realized that people can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. But like if I would have taken that drug, you know, I probably would have had cancer. I don't know. I mean, I try not to listen to or forget. Any advice isn't too good. I think anybody who advises you to give up is the wrong. That's probably the worst advice of all because anything that you persist in long enough, you can find the answer to, I believe. Yeah. And based on that also, the first piece of advice you get on your health is not always the right piece of advice. I'm glad you mentioned this. The Mayo Clinic did a study in 2017, they took 286 patients with various diagnosis and they took the first diagnosis and they had a second doctor do a diagnosis. Only 12% of the time did they match. That means 88% of the time, the first diagnosis and the second were different. As a result, the Mayo Clinic says you should always get a second opinion and they believe getting a second, even a third one, refines the diagnosis and makes it better because everyone's working through their perceptions. It's not, we think of medicine as like black and white, you know, it's right or it's wrong. And it's a lot of art in medicine. People don't realize that and that's why the standard of care doesn't always get the result they want. That's why these breakthrough doctors beyond the standard of care, they were attacked some of them beginning. There's a man named Dr. June and they were created these CAR T cells and I think it's nature just did a publication. Ten years later, they're still, you know, in cancer, they never call it a cure. They're actually calling it a cure for the first time for liquid, you know, like leukemia and things like liquid cancers. And it's like, it's amazing. So you've got to understand that there's more than one opinion and you don't give up too easily with just one. Yeah. And that plays the life too. In so many ways, like you said, I always say it's like if it's about your health, if it's about your relationship, if it's about raising your children, if it's about your spiritual development, those are areas where people should be your coach, not your commander. Yes. Get lots of input and you decide because they could be sincere and be sincerely wrong. If you're wrong, at least you learn from your own experience. Absolutely. Question number three. What's something you think the majority of people value, but you don't value? Fame, but you know, it's easy when you have something that it's like easy to go, everybody wants it, you know, but it's like when you experience it. When did that happen? Was it ever a time you valued fame or was it the experience of it that made you devalue it a little? I wouldn't say a devalue, right? I still appreciate it. It's a privilege. Like I got, you know, I can walk in the room and have people that I have a connection with, you know, but it's been more based on my contribution to them than just being famous per se. Yes. Okay. That's the difference. You're like, oh, my friends in the movie business, like somebody comes up and they get upset because they go, they don't even know who I am. They just want something from me. And mine is it's a privilege. If somebody can be lit up by your presence, to me it's a privilege. So, but I think I think I never, I was never pursuing fame. Yes. Yes. You know, I certainly wanted financial freedom because I grew up without it for my family, but I never, I was never looking to be wealthy, but I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of economic freedom at this stage. So, but I know that there are people that have got billions of dollars, I've worked with them and they're miserable. I've got people that billion dollars and they take their own life. Yeah. You know, what matters is where's your emotional home? You know, where do you live emotionally? If you're worth a billion dollars and every day you're pissed off and frustrated, your life is pissed off and frustrated. If you got three beautiful children, they're a beautiful husband or wife and all this love in your life, but you're worried all the time, you don't feel the love, you're worried. So, my thing is valuing the emotional home and making it the richest place possible inside because that's the only thing you can control. Yeah. You reminded me I was with one of my clients who gets recognized a hundred times for every one time I would get recognized and you'd get stopped every two seconds and someone took a picture, maybe someone would come shake my hand and talk to me. And we spent a whole day together and this would happen multiple times a day for him and a few times for me. And he said something really beautiful with me that mirrors what you've just said now. He said to me, he said, "Jay, the difference between me getting stopped and you getting stopped is they stop me for who I play in the movies because they stop you for who you are." And that's what I feel with you. It's like what you were saying there. It's like, that is a privilege and an honor. Don't privilege me. And humbles me because it's the idea of, yeah, like that person, he's like, "They don't even know who I am. They don't know what I stand for. They don't know what I care about." So, that was, yeah. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you. All right. Question number four is if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? I mean, as cornea is it, it's loving the answer, right? It really is. I think fear is what, you know, if there's a disease of humanity, the disease that messes us up, I think really has selfishness. And I think if there's a cure, it's love. And I think you can't mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes a mandate in their life. I love that. Absolutely. And fifth and final question, you mentioned a book to me that I must read. And you said you wanted to talk about it in the podcast too. So fifth and final question, I thought maybe I'd let you share on that point if you want to talk about cycles that we've been working on. It's a book I read. I think it came out in the early '90s. It's called The Fourth Turning. And it has the conceit of the book is that there are seasons in history. And as I mentioned to you earlier, if you think about, like, what gives somebody power in any context, it's three things. It's pattern recognition. So if I'm great at running businesses as I am today, pretty good at it, it's like, I recognize there's only so many patterns. I know what to do. I can anticipate, not react. I can grow it. If you're great in, let's say, the stock market, you know to recognize patterns. If you're great with music, in a case patterns, you'd be great spiritually. You recognize patterns. But the second skill is you don't just recognize them, you can use them. And then third skill is when you recognize and use enough patterns, you start to create them. And that's a different dimension of what's going on. So in this book, you really start to see that humanity changed when we recognize the pattern of the seasons. As soon as we understood seasons, we didn't have to be wandering through the desert anymore, searching for things we could stay and we could grow crops. Because we found out if you plant in the winter, it doesn't matter how hard you work. Nothing happens. But when you know the right time to plant, when you don't do the right thing at the right time, then all of a sudden humanity grew into communities and cities and states and everything else. Well, we have also seasons of our life. So some of the traditional Indian philosophies, I'm sure you know, we can look at these four stages. But we can look at it and say, first, 20 years of your life roughly, you're primarily learning and taking things in. Some of us had to work at five years old and so forth. But overall, that's how it is. From 20 to 40, that's that springtime. Summer, you're figuring out who you are. Okay, they told me all this crap, no one tested it. Do I really believe that? Does it really work? Is it real relationships? I think I'm invincible. Maybe I'm not. I've discovered 20 to 40 is this massive growth period in your life. And if you grow during that time, 40 to 60 is really a reaping time, right? It's like the fall and the autumn and things come together and things go great. And then from 60 to 80 and maybe 80 on, if you have an extended winter, that's the winter time where now you get to be kind of an elder. So everyone is going to hit winter if they live long enough, meaning some people experience winter in that zero to 20 stage. Some people 20 to 40. When you experience it shapes your life a lot. So in America, the generation we call the greatest generation is the generation of World War II. And they were not respected as young people. I bring this up because millennials, older people very often look at millennials and go, "Oh, there's snowflakes. They can't handle anything." And some are. And every generation, there are people like that. But the generation was born, let's say, in 1910. That generation, if you think about it, they came of age. Going to that 20 year old age, what happened in those 20 years? Well, World War I ended and America was one of the winners. And then there was the roaring 20s and new technology and cars and parties and all this abundance. It was everywhere. So they grew up thinking that's what their life was going to be like. And at 19 years old at the born in 1910, it was 1929. And the whole world around the world, people jumping out of buildings, the dust bowl, the middle place, jobs lost. I mean, it was intense. And they were called flappers. They were not respected. They were just party years. They didn't give a damn about anything. They had no responsibility. And suddenly life hit them. And they grew. They had to. And they went through 10 years of that depression only to make it to 29 years old when it's now 1939 and World War II breaks out and you and I weren't alive then. But anybody alive then will tell you Hitler was winning. Countries were dropping in your country and London was being bombed. I mean, it did not look like we were going to win. It was dark, right? And they made it through that, went over, fought the war and won. So they had this stage of their life from 20 to 40, which was a horrendous experience. But it made them so strong and they came back heroes and they started the next springtime because that was winter, right? So next springtime was late 40s after World War II through the 1950s, early 60s until Kennedy was shot. That kind of 18, 20 year period was a period of great prosperity and growth and everything's easy. And then you have a summer which is always internal conflict. And you can see this in a thousand years of Roman history. Every 80 to 100 years you see the same patterns. And then after that, you have another fall where finances flow, stock markets rise, everything blows again. This happens over and over and over again through history. So when you see it, it gives you perspective. And so we're in winter right now. We've been in winter since about 2008 and we're not done. We probably got another six, if history shows, if it's repetitive, it's not exact. There's probably another seven or eight years of this. And what happens in winter is the external world gets, the last winter was World War II. And the external world has reformed different countries relating to a different way. A new reserve currency happened. The United States became the dominant force. Now you're dealing with China. We're seeing the challenges happening in Russia and the Ukraine. We're seeing things all over the world. People are looking at life differently. People are worried about whether the planet's going to survive or not, global warming. And so there's going to be a lot more turmoil. There's internal turmoil within most countries, including the United States. But what I try to tell people to help them is winter does not last forever. No pandemic has lasted forever. No war has lasted forever. And what's next is springtime. If you were God when you work it out that way, after the vicious night, you have this beautiful day after the tough winter, there's this nice springtime. So the goal right now is to get strong in winter, not to fold. If you can be strong in this season, in your business, in your life, then when springtime comes it's a piece of cake. And if you do well in business during this time, if you look at the fortune 1,065% of them were born in a winter, in a depression or a recession. Whether it's Exxon or it's Disney and depressions or whether it's pizza, to Federal Express that was done in a recession or Apple or Microsoft in a recession. So if you do well then, you tend to do well through time. And so this is a time, not to say, "Oh, it's winter. I'm going to freeze the death." It's like, "No, it's a time to learn, grow, expand, spend time with your family, snowboard, you know, take advantage of the season and don't think the season is forever." And if you read a book like this, it's a book that like some of the greatest leaders I know have all read this book. I got, they also wrote a book called Generations. It's about 550 pages of Anglo-American history. It shows how each generation affects it. So what you start seeing is there's patterns here. There's patterns in history. This isn't forever. How do I use what's in front of me instead of freaking out and saying, "Oh my God, the whole world's coming to an end." Because it looks like that when the dark night of the winter happens or the dark night of the soul. Yeah. Tony, thank you so much. Thank you. Everyone, Tony Robbins, Life Force, the books available right now. We're going to put the link in the captions, the comments everywhere. I highly recommend that you go and grab this book. It will not disappoint. And as you heard today, we've just skimmed the surface on the level of insight and wisdom that exists within this book. Please, please, please go and grab a copy. Tony, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this incredible honor. I'm a major global sway. 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