Christian Minson | Director of Breathwork at Rythmia Life Advancement Center | Transcription

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Introduction

Intro (00:00)

This is 15 Minutes to Freedom. I'm your host, Ryan Idell, and today, live from Costa Rica with the director of breathwork for Rhythmia Life Advancement Center I have Christian with me. Hello, how you doing? I am wonderful and better for getting to be here now for two or three days.


Discussion On Spiritual Journey And Alternative Healing Methods

Pre-Christian (00:33)

Yeah, excellent. Glad to have you. Yeah. Christian, I got to start, oddly enough, not with Rhythmia. Like I'm incredibly fascinated about the pre-Rhythmia Christian, right? Director of breath work is this little piece of who you are, but there's this whole 10, 15, 20 year catalog prior to right now of really what makes you, you. You mind touching base a little bit on that and sharing what that means? Sure. That, you know, that could be an extremely long conversation starting with my youth and really just me having this seeking bug and not taking what everybody was telling me for granted and always seeing that there was something behind it, something behind the mechanisms of life. But fast forwarding, that eventually got me on a spiritual path, and that spiritual path had a monastic order to it, and that was the pinnacle of the whole expression of spirituality from this path's perspective. And I got deeper and deeper into it, and I chose to apply and join the monastic order, which I did for 10 years. And this was a yogic order, meaning espousing the philosophy of yoga, not just the postural postures that we know today, but the whole, there's a huge body of work that is the esoteric philosophy and practice of yoga, which meditation is pretty much the foundation of. So we did a lot of meditating with the Kriya Yoga technique on average of about four and a half hours each day. And I think that really helped prepare me to be a breathwork trainer and facilitator in the distant future because those meditation techniques were actually modified breathing techniques. We manipulated the breath in a way to send energy up and down the spine so that, you know, creating the effects that the meditation was supposed to do. But we had always focused on it as the life force energy that we were working with. So it wasn't until I actually became a breathwork trainer that I sort of put two and two together and said, hey, all those meditation techniques were really breathing techniques. And that got me even more excited about the breath as a foundational vehicle for helping people transform their consciousness.


The Four Dimensional Human (03:01)

I love that. I mean, there's so much. Like, I'm literally incredibly fascinated, right? The show, Christian, I wouldn't expect for you to know about it, but we cover everything. I believe that life is a four dimensional reality and not the 4D sense, like we would discuss, but body being balanced in business. And one of my daily rituals or practices, not only for myself, but also for clients that I help out is to establish a meditative practice, right? For the centering, the life force, right? Joe Dispenza was really the guy that kind of turned me on to at least my understanding of breathing with that intention of pulling the energy up through the chakras and putting out through the crown and what that looks like.


Meditation technique (03:38)

If you were to share, and this might put you on the spot too much, but a quick breathing technique, right? That someone's listening, that they could try for themselves, whether we call it meditative or breath work or, or however you want to classify that. Right. I think it's a fascinating thing because there's one of the running things in the background for most of my clients, I don't know how to meditate, right? Like I'm doing it wrong. Is this right? And there's, you, you probably know more ways to meditate than I could have possibly forgotten. Well, you know, in the, in the end, there's really just one way to meditate and that's to still the body, still the mind and go within, you know, change, change the direction of the searchlight of the senses, so to speak, and have them point inward. And, you know, you focus on your inner reality. But that being said that there's a lot of people out there who have a very difficult time staying completely still with a straight spine and keeping their mind focused and riveted on the spiritual eye and not wandering off into other thoughts and and fantasies. And so breath work is a real powerful tool for just that bringing about many of the same effects that meditation can bring about, but being a little more lenient in posture and lenient in having to still or quell the mind. You pretty much in breathwork, you can be sitting in a chair, you can be lying back, ideally you're lying down maybe at a 45 degree angle a little propped up and you don't have to worry about what's going on your mind you just let it be there focus primarily on the breathing. And the technique that I teach in a nutshell comes down to three components. And I use three words to help jog the memory on those components, and that's full, free, and flow. So we want a full breath, meaning from the bottom of your respiratory capacity all the way up to the top. A free breath, meaning nice and relaxed, easeful and graceful. And a fluid breath, a flowing breath, meaning that it stays connected and in motion the whole time, meaning there's not any pausing, especially in between the inhaling and the exhaling. So to do this, of course, we get into more of the fine details and you know, when I conduct people through a session which usually lasts about an hour more or less but if people want to do a breathing technique that you can start to practice at home you can model this same technique but do it for just about five minutes so we recommend for the full breath to breathe in through the mouth and at a slightly faster pace so it's going to be something like so the breath is in through the mouth and out through the mouth the inhale goes from your belly all the way up into your chest the exhale is nice and relaxed so again keeping that free freedom of movement and then the the flow if you could hear in my example I wasn't putting any pausing in between the inhale and the exhale as soon as I'm finished inhaling I immediately engage the exhale as soon as the exhale just comes out I'm immediately inhaling again and do that do that for about five minutes we call that the hundred breaths to joy and because it takes about a hundred a hundred breaths breathing one two takes about five minutes so a five minute session is a hundred breaths to joy. If you're really cooking with it, I'd say extend it to 10 minutes, maybe 15. I wouldn't go much further than 15 minutes on your own right in the beginning, only because things can start to happen. You can start to get interesting physical sensations and interesting emotional experiences start to occur. And this is really what the breath work is, is meant for is to dredge up old stagnant energies in your system, bring them to the surface and help integrate them or release that energy. And, but in that process, that energy bubbles to the surface and we're, we're temporarily in, in that old energy. So if it was a trauma you experienced or something sad or fearful or anxious, that energy may be with you as it bubbles up to the surface. And if you're not trained to understand that that's perfectly okay and how to move through it, you might get a little freaked out and wanna quit the whole process, which is the last thing I want people to do. Of course, that's such a beautiful segue into plant-based medicine. Rhythmia is obviously known for ayahuasca, but I feel like you're touching base on the similarity between the breath work that you teach, which is how, admittedly, we start Sunday. You come here, you get checked into the resort. I've recorded all this so everybody kind of knows the rundown. And the first thing to do is a breath work class with you, right? At 6 PM. And then as your experience on, on the plant-based medicine comes to a conclusion on the backside of the week, the last two days, right? Being Friday, Saturday, Saturday, yep. Breathwork classes, getting rid of that last piece of, maybe not last, right, but certainly more pieces of the negative energy and emotion that we kept on inside of us. Yeah, Rhythmia is unique in that it's the only place I know that puts breathwork on such a high, you know, gives it such a high pedestal in the whole program. Other places might have breathwork as a menu item, sort of like you can get the facial or you can get the stone massage or you can get breathwork and it's an add-on. But breath and plant medicine really are two very powerful consciousness transformational tools. In fact, I say that both breath and the plant medicine are like keys that open up the door to your consciousness. The difference is that the breath opens that door and smiles and gently beckons you in, and the plant medicine opens that door, and when you're not looking, it kicks you in, closes that door, and then might even shake up the room a little bit, and doesn't let you out until it decides to let you out.


Mindset of the medicine journey (09:56)

So it really, the program here at Rhythmia is really nicely designed because that breath work starts the week, so you get a little bit of taste of what is to come with the plant medicine, but still with that safety mechanism of it being a little bit gentler, and you're not in it until the medicine wears off, right? And then you go through the medicine journeys through the week, and the breath actually then becomes a tool to help you on that journey. If you hit any rough patches or go through any things that are, you know, little darker periods in your journey, the breath can really help to ease you through all that. And then at the end of the week, if there's any rough edges, things that still haven't been completely come to conclusion with the plant medicine the breath work helps to to bring that to an end and then it starts to help people recognize that they've got a tool within them that can keep this consciousness expansion alive even after they leave the hallowed halls of rhythm you know and this is really what I teach and what I'm passionate about is that people go home feeling self-empowered feeling that they've got this this tool that that can take them to higher levels of awareness and consciousness absolutely it's so beautiful to hear you say that like that tool because it's as much as like this an experience, the plant based medicine, certainly something that is to be experienced by everybody. I can't imagine anybody not getting a value and a benefit out of this. But in my mind, sure, I know it's going to last forever, right? Like there's transformative changes. it's almost like I have to fly back to Costa Rica to plug back into that, to that source where the breath work, it's really anywhere, anytime, as long as you can dedicate the time and space and clear your mind enough to use it. That's right. In fact, I'd say anywhere that you can breathe, you can be practicing breath work, which is pretty much anywhere except for underwater. And, uh, excuse me.


The spiritual journey, working behind the stern at Rhythmia (12:01)

Um, yeah, that's, uh, yeah, it's,'s it's it's so great so Christian prior to coming to to rhythm yeah had you had experience with ayahuasca plant-based medicine before I mean you said you've questioned everything your entire life and right now I didn't start down the psilocybin route the mushroom route until I was 33 34 right so it's only been this very sliver of a window of time. Well, I've taken a very circuitous route through life and spirituality and conscious exploration. And in a way, in my early days, even before I became a monk and got on a spiritual path, I had an awakening experience with psychedelic medicines that opened my understanding up to feel that there was a God or a universal force that was benevolent and that was working for my good.


Ayahuasca- Christian talks about how he got hisber (12:47)

And that got me actually started on the spiritual path, which led to me becoming a monk. And then I let go. As a monk, especially in a yogic order, it's very much about renouncing. So we let go you know as a monk especially in a yogic order it's very much about renouncing so we let go of our desires we don't engage in in things that alter your consciousness or stimulants not even coffee you know and then then coming out of that I had this you know new perspective on on life and what it meant to live a spiritual existence. And then ayahuasca came into my realm probably, I'd say, six years after I left the monastic life. And that was the first time I tried it. And it blew my socks off. And it was a pretty intense experience. And I didn't get around to trying it again for another two years. And that, you know, I had that experience, which again was a pretty intense experience. And so I didn't do it again for another two years when I end up arriving at Rhythmia. And since then, I've probably done, I think I just passed the 40 mark as far as 40 ceremonies. 40 times. Good for you. And the majority of them other than those two in the last year and a half, basically. So number, I mean, obviously you're not going to, I shouldn't say you're not going to remember, but we're talking first ayahuasca ceremony versus number 40.


Difference in first Ayahuasca ceremony prior to 40 at Rhythmia (14:23)

Other than maybe the control or the comfort level, what's the difference for you? Well, the difference, you know, looking at it in hindsight, I definitely would have subscribed to going to a place like Rhythmia, except it didn't exist at that time, to start off. Because you're, you know, one, if you're doing it in a country like the United States, for instance, where it's actually illegal, there's just this added background noise of sort of anxiousness about, you know, is this, the cops going to bust in at any moment and haul us all away, or what's going to happen? And you know, the comfort here, the support, the security I think is the biggest thing because it's essentially is a medical hospital on paper. We have an ICU unit, we have 24-7 doctors and nurses and psychological staff. All this is rarely used and never been used for, you know, anything, any kind of major crisis up to this point, but it's there if anything should happen. And that gives most people just a sense of being able to relax and then focus on their inner demons, which is really what you're here for, to expunge all those and to get a new lease and understanding on life. So looking back, that's probably what I would do is look for a place that's a little more built to give that experience, and then I would have felt a little more comfortable. Which makes perfect sense. And obviously I would have felt a little more comfortable, which makes perfect sense. And obviously I'm not a, I'm not an employee of Rhythmia, but coming here, like it's not even taking Christian's word for it. Like every variable has been so well thought out. I mean, I think we're close to, you know, the 5,000 people through the doors here since, since it's opened. And so every, I was laughing with Christian before the interview, we're kept very busy with intentionality, right? Everything's building on top of each other. It's not, you don't come down and kick your feet back up by the pool and sip a Mai Tai as you wait, you know, to jump in an ayahuasca experience. It's, there's just ways and means that everything are conducted where you feel safe. Like you feel swadd like there's no I don't know that like you said getting the medical side of things I mean you're part of even a more advanced medical procedures the wrong word but right Nova cell and what that looks like which I'm incredibly fascinated about because it's cutting-edge stem cell research it also in the US right now is just right. It's not coming around anytime soon. Yeah. There's a lot of red tape to get through before our stem cell therapies will make it to the U S yeah. But that's, you know, another thing that Rhythmia offers that I've been privileged to, to be a part of. And, uh, I think it really is a revolution in the medical industry and is only going to get more substantial, more evidence-based research behind it so that it really, so there's no question and then the U.S. will have to do it. But until then, there's a few countries out there that are still willing to do it while the FDA twiddles its thumbs, maybe. And Costa Rica is one of them.


Majax Stem Cells (17:51)

Yeah, and it's beautiful. I mean, we walked through the presentation. I was just curious, even prior to the conversation, right, getting to know you a little bit better. And all the different types of stem cell and this is embryonic and the different millions of units that you can take and how all those work and stack up. And then you actually had the procedure injection drip, however we want to say it in January. Is that right? Yeah. I had the, I had the procedure in January and yeah. And just to be clear, we don't use embryonic stem cells. Those are, you know, that's the, but those are one of a class of many different classes of stem cells. But what we use is what's called mesenchymal stem cells. Those are, you know, that's the, but those are one of a class of many different classes of stem cells. But what we use is what's called mesenchymal stem cells. Some people will call them mesenchymal, but MSCs for short. And they're really, they're cells that have been in the research as to what really works in the therapeutic type of use of these have been shown to be the, the kind of stem cells that have the most efficacy for, for, uh, promoting health and, you know, that cutting edge or that, that extra edge in your physical and mental prowess and, and sustaining your, your longevity as well as bringing more youth to the, to the body and being. longevity as well as bringing more youth to the, to the body and being. Yeah. And I'm fascinated too, to learn they're actually harvested, derived. They come from the U S right. And there's this whole process to get them from the United States to here, which was like out of all the things that we cover for some reason, that's just been the most fascinating. I'd love for you to share how that part works. Sure. Well, the cells are, that come originally from a uh, umbilical cord blood. So these days in it's a standard procedure that when a woman goes to give birth, that they're asked if they want to bank their umbilical cord, um, because they know that it's full of stem cells and, um, maybe in 30 or 40 years, the child might need that, that stem cells for, for some kind of therapy or repair. If you've gotten into accidents and broken bones or got scars, you know, those stem cells are really powerful for healing.


Can you tell us more about banked umbilical cord? (19:53)

Anyway, if you don't, if they don't bank them themselves, they're asked if they'll donate them, and if they do donate those cells, then we collect them, or they're collected. They're put through rigorous testing processes so that the ones are screened out that might have any disease or disorders kind of associated with them. So by the end, one in 10 to 20 batches makes it to become stem cells that can be utilized in a therapeutic process. And then those have to be cryogenically frozen at like minus 80 degrees. I can't remember that Celsius or Fahrenheit, but super cold temperature that keeps them preserved. And when they're shipped to us, we even have to keep them at that cryogenic temperature. There's even a special sort of like ice chest with a GPS tracker and a thermometer in there so we can track all along the way that they stay frozen at the temperature they're supposed to when we receive them because we wanna thaw them out just before the procedure happens so that they stand the best chance of living and getting into the, the patient. It's, it's so incredible. The advancements have happened in science, right? And longevity and repair and tissue repair. And it's, it's fascinating because as you are listening to this, there's going to be, you know, pictures and things of, of Christian, you'll be able to look on social media and see what it is like i feel like christian took this in in january and he somehow picked up some of the benjamin benjamin button you're you're incredibly youthful looking but you know you've been around the sun more than my 35 times got a couple rotations on me yeah yeah well i'm 51 now so it definitely is definitely a good age to be start thinking about, you know, how to promote the longevity in life. And of course, you know, I'm a proponent of natural and healthy ways. Keeping yourself healthy with nutrition, with hydration, with proper oxygenation, sunshine and exercise are to me the foundations. But then the stem cells are what I call a biohack, which is really taking how the system naturally works and learning how to enhance the natural flow of the system versus doing something like modern science tends to do, is see a system that's not working right, and then overlay it with something that tries to make it do something else, which, you know, isn't always in harmony with the actual flow of the system, and then you get side effects, which are really just effects that you don't want. And that's because that process is out of harmony with the natural flow of things. So if we can find a process that not only boosts the vitality, but actually boosts the body's natural ability to maintain and sustain that vitality, then we're really talking. And that's what the stem cells do. Well, your whole lifestyle has done that.


We should all be aware of our testing (23:12)

You shared with us that, again, you're 51 years old, I'll say, on the outside, right? But the internal, how did you describe that yesterday? Like you had testing done? Yeah, I went to, you know, now in the hospitals, when you go to get your physicals, and most insurance will give you an annual physical for free or discounted, and you go in, and the hospitals will put you through a number of tests. chronological age is 51 but your biological age is more like 38 which is is to say that the way that my systems are running the hearts pounding the you know the the clogging of the arteries and all that kind of stuff are of you know of the state of somebody who's more normally 38 years old now that same thing can happen on the reverse side too. And I think that's where a lot of people are realizing they might be 50 years old, but because they've been not exercising, eating poorly, all this kind of stuff, that their bodies are showing signs of being more like a 60 year old or 65 year old or something. And so fortunately that can be reversed in a large degree by, by again, getting, getting into healthy habits and then doing things like, uh, the biohacks, like stem cells, breath work, ayahuasca. Yeah. I was like, Christian, I think if I had my test on, which now I'm going to have to certainly do when I get home, I'm super curious about this. I think my numbers are going to be inverted, right? I'm 35 and I think it's going to show that I'm 51 from all the nonsense I've done to myself in my twenties and early thirties. So fortunately it's not too late for me to start turning back the clock a little bit there, right? Hopefully I'm not, you know.


The journey from monk to director at Rhythmia. (24:54)

Well, you look youthful and robust. So I think, I don't think you have too much to worry about. We'll find out, I'm sure. So Christian, I'm curious as to how you came to be at Rhythmia, right? Like you had the, I mean, I have so many questions about the monk side of your life as well, right? The fact of, were you able to, you know, be married? Were you able to be in relationships? Like I'm thinking Tibetan monks, right? You're walking around in orange robes, you have a shaved head and you don't, the vows of silence like that. It's literally a fascination for me. I don't want to spend all of our time there but between that and then getting into you know where we sit in costa rica and being the director of part of the the resort now there's there's all there's steps right there's things that had to have happened yeah well the you know it the main thing that happened was a lot of hours spent with my butt in the seat you you know, butt in the seat, spine straight, gaze to the spiritual eye, and focused on the internal game of consciousness elevation and, you know, self-realization. And so doing that develops the habits of, you know, what I call the habits of highly spiritual people. And, you know, there are a few daily habits that we would do that kept the mind focused, kept the body resilient, and awakened the soul, essentially. soul essentially. So that got me when I left the order and went into the field of breathwork, it was partly by accident, you know, a happy accident as they say, partly by divine ordination as it seemed like the breath was the perfect tool to pick up where I left off in the monastic life without the religious overlay. The breath really was the kernel, like I said, the foundation of the meditation techniques that we've been practicing. And now I could express that to a larger audience who might be turned off by the concept of God or the concept of religion or this or that but still understood inside them that there was a spirit that there you know there was something greater and by working with their breath you know the breath is innocuous it's it's not it's not there to hurt you in any way, and by working it and then starting to expand their awareness and have these interesting experiences was right up my alley, and really I felt like that was part of my divine mission. You know, I left the order for a number of personal things to work on and overcome, but part of my, you know, part of what I learned inside the ashram was life is primarily service-oriented. And so whatever I would be doing from that point forward would have that element of service in it. And the breathwork did that for me. And then coming to Rhythmia, you know, like I mentioned earlier, Rhythmia was, is one of the only places that holds breathwork as, you know, the pinnacle experience only, well, I wouldn't say even below ayahuasca or plant medicine, but right next to it, they're, they're breath, breath and, and plant medicine, where what Jerry, our CEO, got the download would be the shortcuts to consciousness elevation. And so it was a complete natural fit. And I have to say the world of breath work is a pretty small slice of the larger pie of endeavors out there. And to have a place like this, again, partly by just divine ordination and partly by being in the right place at the right time, I was asked to come substitute down here at Rhythmia. The person who used to be the breathwork director had a little accident and was out for a few weeks and so I subbed for that time and this was really at the early stages of Rhythmia just getting going and at the end of the week I said you know this is a great environment I'd love to come back and sub again sometime when you if you need that ever and and Jerry our CEO said hey you want a job and I said let me think about it yes yes I'll take that job that was back in early 2017 yeah that that happened in March of 2017 and then it took a few months to work out all the details and get and actually be available. And I started started working at Rhythmia full time, November 8 of 2017. So it's been a year and a half plus a little bit. So what would you say for, you know, I'm assuming many of the listeners have not yet ventured into Costa Rica, right?


Moving from the US to Costa Rica. (29:59)

And if you were to quantify or classify the biggest differences between United States living, California living, whatever it would be, and coming down to Costa Rica, what would that be? And do you get a chance to leave the resort much? I mean, do you physically live here on the resort? Like we're touching base to run something like this. We all take for granted the mental energy and space you have to hold, because you're really propping up 60 of us. Like everybody sees you, you're having a conversation, they're taking energy from you and there's things there well the running joke is jerry says you know he invited me down here he said hey there'd be you know it's a party there's women there's this and that you'll it'll be great for you and i get here and it's it's more like living in an ashram or a monastery than any other endeavor, other than living in a monastery or ashram. There's a lot of similar elements, and the biggest element is that, yeah, I'm here almost 24-7. I live here, work here, eat here. So getting outside is necessary, but it doesn't happen so frequently. And to answer that question about what's really the difference between my home in Costa Rica or the United States and Costa Rica would be, I'd say, creature comforts. Yes. That's the biggest difference. Costa Rica is very basic and very, and again, maybe this is where God played some kind of trick on me because it's like, oh, you left the monastic order, but we're going to put you back in that same sort of deal. And, you know, the difference between, the difference being when I was a monk, I was doing it by choice. And now that I'm here, I'm doing it because there's nothing else around to do, basically. So, arrhythmia is it for other than of course, you know, I mean, what Costa Rica has to offer is amazingly beautiful environments, the beaches, the jungles, the rainforest. It's incredibly pristine and a natural environment. And that's what, as monks, we renounced our possessions. We renounced all the comforts of life. And those were the things of real value, the environment, the beauty of a sunrise, fresh air, that kind of thing. Well, it's beautiful. And even the way that the Costa Rican culture lives, right, and kind of enjoying life first and putting some of the what feels like monetary necessities off to the side, right? Just such a different culture here. Yeah. Even with the staff and the friendliness and the way just everybody is, it's like very, it's just so different. They call it the Pura Vida vibe, which is basically Pura Vida is an expression used all over Costa Rica, but basically translates to mean pure life, Pura Vida. But, you know, it's like, hey, how are you doing? Pura vida. Or hello, pura vida. Or I'll see you later, pura vida. But it's one of those things that subtly affects the background of your subconscious. And it's like, yes, you're saying this affirmation over and over that that life is good life is pure and um and there's really not anything to worry about even if you don't have all those creature comforts well that was one of the things that came to me during the ceremony last night is how many almost how backwards that i've had it right you need all these things like the accumulation of where it's like this soul's regression if you will where i can just feel myself like laying under the stars in a warm field somewhere saying like this is this is all this really is like all this stuff doesn't really much matter right well and that's what we learn and learn as a monk you know that are um what really matters it's not it's not bad to have desires it's not bad to have desires. It's not bad to have stuff, but to have attachment to stuff. If your stuff all of a sudden disappears or gets burned down or you're separated from it and you can't get it back, that's where it's like pura vida.


Personal Journey And Discovery Of Breathwork In Costa Rica

Finding breathwork in Costa Rica. (34:26)

I go to the beach and sit out under the sun and enjoy the waves lapping on you versus pining away at that your Nintendo gets stolen or is not functioning properly or something. Of course. So Christian, if there were, if there's something you wanted the listeners take away, right, whether it's breath work, whether it's coming to rhythm, right? Just something to put a bow on this, if you will. Well, I would say that I would truly encourage everyone to look for a way to experience breath work. And if I may give my website, I got, um, breath flow.com B R E a T H F as in fabulous L O w.com, uh, we'll,, will start you on that journey. And you can connect with me or try to find facilitators, other people in your area to experience breathwork because it's so hard, it's like telling people what an orange tastes like before they've ever eaten an orange. You can describe it to the nth degree and until they actually take that bite, are they gonna know what it is. And it's the same way with breathwork. It's even harder because people go, typically they'll say, well I breathe, you know, I know how to breathe, I've been breathing all my life. And so they'll think it's like a meditative experience where you just get all calm and and you know passive and it's it's a very it's a very activating a very consciousness expanding experience and you know it really I can't do it justice talking about it last 12 years that's been the bane of my existence is how to communicate the experience that people are going to have and really so my message is to try it. The best way is to try it and see what kind of power that we all have literally right underneath our noses. Wow. I love that. And scientifically, right, the lungs produce more DMT than almost anywhere, right? When you breathe the right way. Right. There's some research that talks about essentially breathing like we do in this practice where it's a bit more vigorous, connected breathing will start to dump DMT into your system naturally. So we do have DMT. As humans, it is part of our chemical makeup and that DMT is the as humans it is part of our chemical makeup and that DMT is the what do you call it the active ingredient in in plant medicine that gives you the the interesting experiences but you can you literally can produce those experiences on your own with no other external substance other than oxygen it's so crazy Christian I couldn't be more honored to share some time and space with you, have you share those stories and just get to know you better. Thank you so much for hopping on here with me. Well, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. Of course. you


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