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This is 15 Minutes to Freedom. I'm your host, Elite Life Optimization Coach Ryan Neidell, here with my wife. Hi. On our green couch. We're on the green couch today, so if you're watching this via video, hello everyone. We're coming to you a little bit different today. I got my shoes off. I got my feet up. Just chilling. We got Zeus in the middle. So when we left you last week, we were in the midst of describing our experience in Costa Rica. We were actually in Costa Rica at Rhythmia, the Life Advancement Center, recording the show.
Experience And Processes Of Ayahuasca Ceremonies
Medicine Day 4 (00:47)
I know, I wish we were back there right now. We will be, July 21st through the 28th. If you would like to join us, Lindsay, myself, currently I have nine additional like-minded people from all types of different industries, right? Incredible chiropractors, visionaries, business leaders, people that work inside of companies. Like, it's a really crazy dichotomy of individuals if you want to come down and join us would love to have you i'm actually going to do a 21 day coaching lead up going into it completely complimentary doesn't cost anything for my coaching will cost something for rhythmia right drop me an email ryan at life optimization.com, and I will give you some more details on how you could join us. Now that I'm through all that nonsense, it's probably time to clue you into day four. Yeah, so I was just asking Ryan before we started this, like where did we wrap up last Saturday? Because it's been now a week removed since we were in Costa Rica with Rhythmia, and he so kindly reminded me that we were on day four. So catching you up a little bit. And last weekend we went through really the first three days. The plant-based medicine, what it was like to get to the resort, all the fun pieces and parts. And now we're on the fourth and final plant-based medicine journey.
Living Rythmia (02:02)
Yeah, so this is Thursday for us. This one is going to be different because it's an all-night experience. When I say all-night, the typical start for the ayahuasca ceremonies was 5.30, and this one started at 7, and it went until 9.30 the following morning, whereas the 5.30 p.m. ones usually wrapped up about 12.30, 1 a.m. So we're talking at least 12 to 14 hour deal. Before we dive into that part, for me, I want to set a little bit of the groundwork for what it takes to lead into this particular experience. So Thursday was a day that I had booked interviews with Jeff, who's a lead psychiatrist. Yeah, he's the chief medical officer for Rhythmia. And Jerry Powell, the founder of Rhythmia. And these were preset before I went down there. We had specific times and coordinations and things like that. And so Jerry's schedule started to become more and more full and he started sliding me up earlier and earlier in the day. Right. So I went from, I believe, a 930 interview to a nine to I think 830 or even eight for Thursday morning. Right. And we had been up Wednesday until at least two thirty or three, because by the time we wrap up the ceremony and we get back to the room and then you record the podcast about it, it's pretty damn late when we're going to bed. Absolutely. And so get up. Don't really have time to eat breakfast. I don't make breakfast a priority. I go meet with Jerry first. Have a little mobile podcast unit that you're seeing part of it here. We have new mics that I'm waving in front of the in front of the camera right now a whole mobile setup that's in this nice pelican case and it's really cool like yeah I love it we actually recorded uh last week's from our house or from Costa Rica like this and then we did the other one from our house like this it's kind of becoming our new normal and so I roll up to literally, this is a rolling bag. I roll up to Jerry's house. It's on property. Introduce myself. We've already had time to chat back and forth and very quickly, you know, open up the Pelican bag, pull out all the podcasting stuff. And him and his assistant are very clear that he's got a nine, I think nine 15 or nine 30 phone call. Like there's a very specific time window that we have. Yeah. Yeah, he's on a tight schedule. Of course.
No Nonsense, Thursday Night, Early Morning (04:27)
We get right down to business. We record a podcast, which now it would have aired two Thursdays ago at this point. Go back and listen to it if you haven't. Where he tells the whole story. Tells what Rhythmia is and where it was founded and all the stuff. It's a fascinating story. Really, really incredible. We wrap up. I'm very conscientious of the time. It's a fascinating story. Really, really incredible. And so we wrap up, and I'm very conscientious of the time, right? I have my phone out and I'm watching it to make sure I don't run late. And as I'm putting away the podcast stuff, just normal wrap-up conversations, Siri says, like, tell me about yourself. And there's something that triggers inside of me, at least back then, like I don't love saying that I'm a coach, right? Because I feel like the term quote-unquote coach is such a... It's a weird thing, right? And it sounds a little cheesy sometimes, I think. Yeah, at least it did in my head. So I try to explain to them what it is that I do across the four variables of life and dial in a lot of specifics with some of the pieces and parts. And then it dawned on me that really what I do is I help people. I meet you where you're at. I help you establish where you want to go. And we figure out the most efficient and effective path to get there. That sounds good. is I help people. I meet you where you're at. I help you establish where you want to go. And we figure out the most efficient and effective path to get there. That sounds good. So I help people. Then I glance over some of the things before, right? The web hosting, the affiliate marketing, and the growth there, and then merchant processing and what all that looks like. And I'm starting to step into the next stuff, which of course is custom clothing, and he stops me. He's like, wait, wait, wait. What do you know about merchant processing? I said, well, you know, I was involved in the high- risk merchant processing space for quite some time what do you want to know international domestic do you want to create your own cryptocurrency right you want to be a psb and iso like you want your own bin like what are you what are you trying to achieve here and his eyes just keep lighting up is that's something that he's interested in for multiple businesses that he's a part of. And so we have a very high level conversation. He asked me to come back for an additional one.
Additional Intention Setting (06:08)
I believe it was Thursday. Maybe it was Friday. Yeah, it was either Friday or Saturday. All the days, I think it was Saturday because Friday we took some naps. Yeah, I had multiple meetings with him, but he asked me to come back for a secondary meeting. I'm going to say it was Friday. I also had one with him on Saturday. And so eventually throughout the day, we have our plant integration process where the shamans come and tell us what to expect that evening. It's three o'clock. They share with us, it's going to be a little bit different, right? Where normally we say our intentions literally in our head into the cup of ayahuasca before we take it. It's a very intimate setting. No one really knows your intentions. It's between you and the medicine. Yeah, and this is the traditional Colombian tribe that comes in from Colombia, right? Their lineage is over 100 years old, and so it's very, um, ancient and traditional ceremony and, and medicine here. And it's a different kind of brew. It's part of the Tieto tribe. If you look it up, you'll see how this all goes back. And they explained to us that in this evening ceremony, you're going to, the shaman is going to ask you your name and to state your intention. Well, the first three days of the experience, I feel like I've quote unquote gotten my miracle, right? My pieces have been put back together. I already feel incredibly different. I got what I needed. And so we're walking around in between four and seven, seven 30. Lindsay asked me a handful of times, once, twice, three times, like what, what intention are you going to set? Yeah, because I was in the same boat. I had already done the show me who I've become and merge me back with my soul and heal my heart. So I was like, you know, what am I going to do with my intention? And so I was asking you as well, just out of curiosity. My answer to her over and over again was like, I don't know. Why are you asking me? Like, I don't have any idea. Just shut your mouth, woman. Like, I don't know what it's going to be. And it's laughingly, but I truly had no idea. And Jerry had shared with me while I was with him that he would be joining us in Thursday evenings ceremony. Yeah. He was going to participate. He hadn't in any other nights. He tries to do it once a week, once every other week, just depending on to kind of clean some of his energy from what it takes to really host 60 to 90 people. So it's part of this that you might not realize if you haven't held an event before. Although he's got a full staff and although there's people running around, the energy that it takes to almost energetically prop up that many people. Oh, yeah. Everybody wants to say hi and shake your hand. He's incredibly kind and generous and does that while pouring into you and he's incredibly well-versed on the medicine. Right, Jerry's very involved. He does talks with the groups and gets everybody prepped and ready and it's really incredible.
Stay with the Energy (08:59)
Yes. Why are you staring at me like that? I'm telling a story and you keep throwing in these things that I don't know how to bounce back from. So I'm recalibrating in this moment my lovely wife. So she asked me the intentions and I don't know them. We end up in the maloca for the ceremony. And we sit, all of us, 63 of us, 64 with Jerry. We're sitting in almost a half moon around the shaman. And he's pointing person by person asking for us to state our intentions. State your first name and state your intention. And it happens to be where I'm sitting is one of the last five or six to go. It just happenstance. And so I'm hearing all these other people state their intention. That's some of the key three, right? Like what you just shared. And so it gets to me and i'm like i'm ryan and show me the path to make the greatest impact and the shaman literally tilts his head so excuse me because this is so far off base from what really anybody else has said at all i mean i, I repeat it again. Show me the path to make the greatest impact. He's like, all right. And then bounces around and eventually, what was yours? Because you were like right by me. Mine was the like next steps of my life, right? Like I had already done the three steps. So it was, okay, what's next for me? Like show me the true path here for myself. And I forget, Jerry's was some along the lines of taking care of himself. Yeah, to continue to like, I think it was something like trust and love for myself, continued trust and love for myself.
Why Ayahuasca Ceremonies Are Always Evolving (11:01)
Because that's something that you constantly have to work on as a human being. And like you said earlier, when he pours into people energetically all the time, I'm sure that that leaves some space for growth on your own plane, right? You want to make sure that you continue to cover that for yourself because it's important to fill your own cup. Absolutely. And so the difference in this night versus others is the shaman as lindsey stated is from columbia very clear lineage very clear history not the other shamans didn't it was just a different feel and because this is such a strict ceremonious event he's very clear like the men are in one line the women are in another even to receive what i'll call the sacrament of ayahuasca like it's not before it was kind of like a grab bag like come on up and there's still the the blessings and the rituals and the the things but it was really really different i think so i talked to some of the the shamans throughout the week about things like that and it And it's the way that they particularly manage the energy of those people and how they do it. And these people, these shamans are truly gifted human beings, right? They are able to read and see and feel and interpret energy from so many people at once. And you'll see, you know, I don't know if we've posted some pictures, but if you look up shamans or the Taita Wanito heritage line, you'll see that they're dressed very, you know, particularly as far as the things that cover them. Leaves and beads and shells and bracelets and necklaces and ankle bands and things that are all in place to protect them from the energies that come from other people and the energies that come from opening up those kinds of things in a room like that. And so they have a very specific way of practicing what they do so that they can control and protect people and their energies in a very safe environment. And so, you know, we all just listened and said, yep, we're going to shut up and do whatever you tell us to do because you're really vulnerable and opening yourself up to all kinds of things in there. And you want to make sure that you do it the right way so that you are energetically protected. And as we are going through the process of standing in line for the ayahuasca, I don't remember where I fell in line I think it was the first one I'm almost you were the first one because this was the only night that we were next to each other we were separated by one person and it was just a line of three beds so it was you on the end and then one person in the middle and then me and so when they called for it you were like right up by the altar and you were probably first or second in line and this evening's brew concoction it's called yahay was a much different tasting it was rough deal right like the first three nights other than the the psychological effect it, I could have sat there and just drank it out of the container. No big deal. I even would have said it was pleasurable. The first three nights, loved it. It was just like a little bit of a, not thick, but just like deeper textured tea. It wasn't anything horrible. I wouldn't think I'd have a cup of it but like you refer to as a deeper texture tea yeah well i drink tea every day right so it's just like it's it's um i just feel like that's so many descriptive words that don't typically go together i know shallow versus deep and then textured and then tea well it works though that's well that's what i thought it was where this is the fourth. It's very thick and very gritty and tastes very... Earthy. Earthy is a good way to describe it. It tasted like dirt. And honestly, it was gritty like dirt, and I'm pretty sure I had a little piece of a stick in mine. Would make perfect sense, admittedly. And so I choke it down, go lay on my bed, and I'm waiting. Yeah, it's thick they tell you because you're not supposed to drink water after you ingest the ayahuasca so they tell you they give it to you after you take the yaje they give you a drink of water and tell you to swoosh it around your mouth and go spit it out in your bucket because you can't swallow but I was like constantly swallowing to try to get the yaje to move down my esophagus because it was so thick.
The Yaj Youth Combo (15:30)
I don't say it. Don't say it. I see it on your face. Don't say it. Man. Don't say it. I set myself up for that. I already know. I'm going to go back memory lane. If you remember when you were young, right? And you're third, fourth grade and you're playing kickball and you were waiting for the one kid to be the pitcher that you knew was just athletically inferior to the rest of you, and they would throw this very straight, very slow ball right down the middle that would allow you to kick the shit out of it. You just gave me that pitch. I know. It's like swallowing a booger. How about that? That's better. Swallowing a booger.
The Yaj Experience (16:06)
Man, we are just going all over the place here. Sure. It's like swallowing a textured, very thick, very viscous, very warm booger. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yep, I'm sure that's exactly what you're thinking as I'm describing this as a booger is what came to mind first for you. But that's about how it goes down. Sure, certainly. So drink it, we switch out our mouth, and then you lay down on the mattress. Because as we've shared, there's typically an hour, hour and a half between doses. If you... Jerry laughingly says, don't think drink.
Dicas Nada Mel (16:40)
Basically, if you can get up and walk, you should go get more, essentially. The shaman was a little bit more intentional with his conversation. And what was so unique about this is every other evening, there had been music, there had been Icaros, there had been things to move energy once everybody had taken the first drink. This, the shaman, was very specific that for the first two and a half hours, it was going to be complete silence. Yes. Which I love. I hated it. Like absolute silence. The only things that you hear are, rah. I mean, everybody, so they tell you that the Yahe is the most purgative form of the ayahuasca. So when they had us all in the integrative medicine meeting before the ceremony, everybody looks around after, you know, three days of vomiting and shitting. Everybody looks at each other like, oh, fuck. Like, God damn it. We thought we were on the back end. It's going to be fine. Now, Ryan and I did not purge that way. Right. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I was the crier. He had a nada. Then he was, you know, in outer space laughing to himself. But we weren't vomiting. And we certainly didn't have the runs. And there were definitely a lot of people that really struggled with the vomiting. And so these people were like, man, this is going to be rough, right? The most purgative form. Within five minutes of everybody getting done with taking their first cup, people were puking. And so in total silence, all you hear is the retching and the purging. I don't know if we've described it before, but we will now. This vomiting isn't like you've had too many drinks or you've got the flu. This is an energetic release of things that have been stuck inside of you for a long time. Yeah, it's not. They described it really well. They said like it's not, you're not becoming ill. You're becoming well because you are getting that emotional sickness out. And it didn't smell, right? Vomit has a particular smell to it. The room didn't smell. I was waiting for like the first night, that overwhelming sense of hospital sickness smell, and it just didn't because it truly is not that people are ill.
Ayahuasca reveals your life for you (18:52)
They're just purging out the emotion. And what I found to be so fascinating is for me, my traditional position was laying on my back, right? Head on a pillow, on a single mattress, hands behind my head interlocked, eyes closed, just relaxing my body to the best of my ability. And in between states of consciousness, there's almost this rhythmic pattern that exists of crying and retching and vomiting and yawning and laughing like there's just this flow through the room which is unique to be able to partake in and witness knowing that like there was no way for me to know who was vomiting i didn't care to watch i never i physically never saw one person vomit yeah i did only because i would be getting up to go to the bathroom or something and people were hanging over their buckets. Yeah, I just never saw it. And so it's silence and people, it's the sound of people getting rid of what they need to get rid of. Then they call us up for the second dose. And I, again, I'm first'm first right just by the nature of where my bed's at and tell the shaman like i haven't felt anything he's like wait excuse me yeah he was surprised like no i haven't like because this is supposed to be like just this incredible experience it's not that it hasn't been incredible but i don't feel anything. Like no tingly feet, no nothing. He says, okay. And then he gets a spoon and another thing and combines some stuff in a secondary glass and then gives it to me. He's like, I'm going to fuck this guy up. Yeah, he's like, here, take this. And if you don't feel anything in the next hour, come back and see me again. Okay, thank you. Drink it down, swish her out the water, go lay down on the bed. I don't remember where you were at or even seeing you. So I only took the second cup. I only took a half of the second cup because after the first cup, I was not vomiting, but I was having some digestive issues pretty quickly. So I was in and out of the bathroom and I actually was in the bathroom when they called for the second cup. So I missed the, the first part of the line. And so I went up and I was like, I missed the call because I was in the restroom. I'm going to need another dose, but can I have a half cup? Cause right now it's pretty rough. And so I don't know where my wife's at, but it's part of this experience. I'm not really paying attention to where she's at. I mean, it's very, very safe, very controlled. I lay back down and assume the same position. Hands over my head, feet down, relaxed, eyes closed. And time seems to stop while you're involved in this. Like you have no concept, right? None of us have phones. None of us have watches. There's no clocks in the room. it has nothing to do with that and so it felt like 10 minutes but it was probably an hour and then like the silence and the blackness of my mind like the best way i can say it is a white a blackboard exists and it's not really a blackboard because there's no physical representation but all of a sudden I see these numbers being essentially written out. And these numbers don't make sense to me. Like I wasn't looking for any sort of numeric value in this experience. And then the numeric values start to keep going. And there's all types of things. And it gets kind of the end and I'm like, what are these numbers? What is this? It just simply says Rhythmia. I'm like, man, I don't, I don't understand. Like I know I'm in Rhythmia. Like I get it, but there's things about marketing. There's things with sales and automation. There's just all these things that, that play themselves out. And so side note, when I was with Jerry on Thursday, I had asked him if anyone had ever taken nootropics with ayahuasca. Like, is it something they knew about? He's like, what are nootropics? That's probably not going to go the way I want it to. I'm talking to him about like paracetam and aniracetam and finiracetam and all the nuopap and all the things that I take for cognitive functioning and whatever. Jerry's like, no. He's like, no, but you're a big guy. You'll probably be fine. Do it and let me know how it goes. Yeah. I mean, he literally looked at you and was like, but you can try it first. And I'm like, I got the green light, right? He probably would know if it was a big negative, which is all I was looking for. So I took my normal stack of these pills at about 7 p.m., right? Right before we walked out of our door to walk towards a maloca. The best way I can describe it is it allowed me to hold on to a lot more of what I was seeing. Because there's something that goes on when you're taking ayahuasca or to me any psychedelic in general. The things that kind of speed past your your yeah it goes very fast yeah go go past your mind go go through your closed eyes whatever you want to say it's like you just want to like stop them like wait time out time out and you want to grab the stuff you want to remember it that's not always easiest thing well with taking the endotropics it certainly was so i So I remembered all the numbers, all the variables, all the ideas. And then there's commotion going on now, right?
The Half Moon (24:10)
There's things going on. And I'm still, I'll call it sleeping. Like it's not like I'm not tripping. I'm not out of nowhere. Like I'm just relaxed and I'm laying and it's like I've had this conversation in my head. And I look over to my left and there's a half circle like a half moon of women mm-hmm, and they had shared with us that the shamans the assistant shamans and the facilitators will come over and grab people from their Mattresses to help do a healing process on them. Mm-hmm And so I'm sitting there like all of a sudden there's chance going on there's live music that starts and they're stomping on the maloca and there's Feathers and there's blowing things and there's oils and there's yes, on the maloca, and there's feathers, and there's blowing things, and there's oils, and there's bamboo leaves, and it's just like stuff. And there's, imagine if you will, this half moon around where the shaman would sit of probably 20 women, 20 to 25, the head shaman, and then I believe seven people follow after him. And so the shaman sees you first and he says what he says and he does what he does to you and he blows the smoke on you and does all types of stuff. And then sequentially, it's almost like you're going through this car wash. Yeah, it is like a car wash. And Brad and Scott were there, which is, they're my magic shamans from Tuesday. Magic shamans. Oh, those men saved my soul on Tuesday uh-huh love them it's nice what are my souls they've saved down there I mean they're just magic humans but so it was three or four maybe five shamans and then other assistants but you're right it's like a car wash yeah and they're moving around you and there's some people on the front side and some people on the backside and they're saying things. They're speaking in a tongue that I certainly couldn't understand. No, I do. Some Spanish, some like tribal stuff. Yeah. And I see them doing this to all these women and I want to watch, but then it's, I also don't want to, right. I want to just go back to this magic place where I'm getting the numbers and downloads of life.
How it feels during the healings (26:01)
And so I go back to the place where I'm getting the numbers and downloads of life. Like I hear all this stuff and it's cool because there's enough energy in the room now that it's starting to vibrate the floor and like shake the mattress but not in a disturbing way. In like a very like just exciting way. I forget which Matrix movie it is. Maybe the last one. Where they're underground and there's a rave that starts and all of a sudden like the energy just builds and builds and builds. Like that is literally how it feels. That is true. That is exactly how it feels. And so the women get done. I was not in this circle. But I was paying attention. There was a woman that was like four people, like four from the, there's four people in. Right, and it was a dark haired woman that had an outfit on. And keep in mind, it's pretty much pitch black in there. Right, there's no, there's certainly no lights on. And the sun's not up. Sun's not up. It's, bad judge of time again. Three or four in the morning. Yeah, we gotta say somewhere in there. And I'm looking, I'm like, that's my wife. And then she stands up when it's over. I'm like, that's my wife. And then she stands up when it's over, I'm like, that's not my wife. Can't see shit. And so, lay back down, I go into my happy place. I've been laying down the whole time, but close my eyes. Get, don't know how much time passed, but then someone comes and taps me on the shoulder. And it's Brad, right, one of the shamans. I'm like, it's your time for the healing. He's like, take off your shirt. Shit, okay, am I taking off my pants too late? I have no idea what's coming. The women did not take off their shirts. I took off my shirt. All the women that were wearing sports bras and shorts, we took off our shirts. Fair, but there were no... Yeah, we didn't have, there were no boobs out. Which was upsetting, but also made me happy at the same time correct yeah i'm not really trying to see have everybody see what you got going on exactly but i wouldn't mind seeing what everybody else has going on all shapes and sizes we've covered this before i can't help it love boobs general curiosity and so i sit down and i'm third from the end fourth from the end right and I still don't have a lot of hip mobility that I figured out as I'm sitting on the Moloka floor trying to maintain posture right sitting in a comfortable position and there is no comfortable position for what feels like an hour and a half yeah it's a long ceremony but it's like you know crisscross applesauce when you're in kindergarten type style sitting. Yeah. So my legs are not crisscrossing anyhow. So I wrap my hands around my knees. Like it's almost like I'm in a seated fetal position. Yeah. Just like trying to keep myself vertical and not because again, this isn't because I'm quote unquote messed up. I'm very present and very connected to everything that's going on. I'm not out of, out of my mind. I'm not anything. I felt like that was a big thing with the Yahei. It was very introspective. It was very like logical for me. It was not like an out of world or out of body high type of experience at all. No, not, not with the Yahei. And so the shaman starts and the process starts and these things start going on. And it's incredible. Like they come to you and I just kept feeling lighter and lighter and lighter. It wasn't a thing in which I had felt heavy ever prior. But it's like they're pulling all this stuff from you. Yeah, they clear you out. Didn't even know it was there. And they go around multiple times. like it's not just a one time thing it's like three or four evolutions of them going around and around you and i noticed after the second time that where i'm sitting is directly in front of where the sun comes up and no longer is the sky pitch black it's now this very nice hue of light blue you know the type when the sun has risen behind the mountains and you can see it's about to get light outside? Knowing the sun rises in Costa Rica sometime between 5 and 6, I'm guessing it's in between 4 and 5 at this time. It's starting to get light outside. And as the shaman wraps up, like they do their healing process to us, there's still some ayahuasca left in the container. I'm watching at this point. I had come back. I was outside for most of the night. So I had come back in at this point cause somebody was like, you know, you'll have to go in for the healing circle. And she was outside again because she was in the bathroom spending a lot of time, um, purging from her backside. Yeah yeah i had the runs really bad you know i would take i would take sitting on the toilet rather than putting my head in the toilet right so for sure if that was the the worst form of my purging i'll take it none of that wasn't my story right i didn't fortunately for me even on thursday there was no vomiting or diarrhea for me yeah you were really lucky i was good until the Yahé. The Yahé got me. So the shaman's done, and he sees there's some ayahuasca left, and he gets a spoon that he had been mixing the stuff up with.
Aftermath And Usage Of Ayahuasca
Last Ayahuasca Rounds (30:50)
It's like pudding. It's a big spoon. It's like when we were young, Mom might have made you tea in the summer. It's one of those big, huge spoons. The lemonade spoon. Yeah, not a tea spoon. It's a big spoon. And he's scraping out the ayahuasca, and it's like maple syrup almost. It's thick, and it's gritty, and it's sandy. And I'm third in line, and he sticks it in. He was like, say yes. Yeah. He goes, you have two choices. It's yes or yes. And he puts it and sticks it in the first guy's mouth. It's like, oh. Here we go. And I'm like, this is crazy. This is like, for those of you that might have drank at one point in college before you're of age of 21, I might be the only one that's done that. But potentially, right, where you're like one of the last four people that's awake at a party. Like, hey, let's have one more. Bong it again. Everybody knows it's a really bad idea to have that lukewarm natty light, but it's still there. And there's like three left. So you do it anyways. That's what this felt like. And so I take it and it honestly wasn't that bad the last time. They brought the water back around and we're swishing around the water and spit it in the container.
After Ayahuasca Ceremony: What Were The Actions? (32:00)
And then they offer us, once they do that and they go all the way around circle, and there's enough left that the first two guys got yet another dose. And then there's a traditional tobacco blend. Rapé. Then they did the Rapé on you guys. Rapé. And I love Rapé. Like this is, I've never smoked before any sort of drug or cigarette. Like it's not something I've ever cared about. But Rapé is this tobacco blend that they put in this little pipe and they blow it up your nose. Like literally like they hook it underneath your nostril and they blow it in there and you hold it in your nasal cavity. You don't swallow it and it's just the most incredible feeling in the world. Like I would get down with rapé all the time. I did not do the rapé at all. It is nuts. And so you've got a bunch of eye wash in your system. Now the shaman's going around and he's like pretty aggressively hooking your nose and blowing rapé in there. And I am, it is now cloud nine. Like I am floating in the best way possible. But now the sun is up in the sky. So it's certainly 530 or 6. And it's like this, the guy next to me, oddly enough, was a guy that was on the bus with us coming from the airport to the resort. And he would have been a guy who I would have assumed to be a little younger. Don't know if he is or not. It would have been someone that would have inherently, I can't even say triggered me. Right. But just bothered me. It was very loud and he was very like everything was on 10 all the time. And over the course of the week, he had started to ratchet those things down and like find himself more. It was awesome to see. Yeah. And so there's a certain irony to me, not really so, it's divinely orchestrated that he's sitting next to me during this ceremony and it's like we, it gets done and the music's getting louder and louder and it's all live because there's chants and there's stomping and it's like we, it gets done and the music's getting louder and louder and it's all live because there's chants and there's stomping and it's, like he looks over and he's like, we made it. Like we made it through it.
What Happened After The Yah About Seeing? (33:53)
And for me it was never a thing of like, I'm gonna make it or not make it, right? I've done plenty of things in my life that felt way more difficult or intimidating than this. Yeah, but he was the one staying at the bus at the front on the first day going, is everybody ready to die? I'm like, what the hell? Yeah a lot of a lot of energy about him and then all of us guys like we all just end up like hugging like the sun is up and you got the women that had went before they're all like coming out of the ether and they're watching us and i got my wife and this hodgepodge group of another 12 or 15 people that were out exploring nature or exploring the confines of a bathroom and didn't get their healing process and so it's just like this most beautiful thing that the sun is rising you're bonding with all these men and you've shared all these stories and then plus i got the download and then it's your turn right you're the last group to get healed i'm the last group to get healed. I'm the last group to get healed. And my experience with the Yahé, besides the restroom purging for me, was beautiful. It was very introspective for me. So I got my version of the downloads as far as my next steps and what my path to purpose is, right? My furthered path. And I got the whole, now maybe I didn't take the nootropics, but I got the whole thing of, you know, that film that almost looks like a movie playing in your head where you want to stop different sections and you can't. And I was able to stop a few and it's like past life regression stuff. And what I've done in past lives and the energies I've been and was able to talk to people and just some crazy shit that I would have never believed or thought somebody was crazy had I heard them talking about it and never experienced it so if you're listening to this and you've not experienced ayahuasca ceremonies and I sound crazy to you, I totally get it because I would have probably said you were crazy as well before I had this experience.
Healing in Ayahuasca (35:50)
And so I ended up in between bathroom sessions was in the hammock. And like the stars were fascinating to me. And every time I would close my eyes, I would see all this writing that were that was in the stars and I would open my eyes and the writing would still be there and I could erase things and move things and do things at will. And so it was, it was nuts. So I came in for the healing and it was the most beautiful thing I've ever experienced. And there were people that were still like vomiting in their buckets during the circle. I mean, that just the Yahweh was very, very purgative for them. And the dancing and the music and the energy, it was just so they will tell you that after you purge everything for the whole week, whether it's crying or laughing or vomiting or diarrhea, whatever it is, that you're left with tiny holes, right? That all the bitterness has left you. And so the healing part with the traditional Colombian ceremonies is filling all those holes of bitterness back in with sweetness. And so that's why it's the flowered water and the chants and they come through and stuff in with feathers and, you know, everybody has their own piece of the healing that they're doing. And that's why it's like the car wash effect of seven or eight shamans. And it was, I mean, there were several of us women who just had tears streaming down our faces as we were going through this because it's just the most peaceful and beautiful and magical thing I've ever experienced in my life besides giving birth to Gianna.
Being Big (37:29)
And that wasn't very peaceful, but it was beautiful. And I miss out on that one. Yes, but it was, it was magic. And so then they closed the ceremony and we were all, it probably was eight 30 in the morning at that point. And then they gave us open time to share. And the shaman talked about things that he saw throughout the evening and healings that he was a part of and energies that he had received or taken out of people and just really fascinating shit. And then everybody had their time to share if they wanted to. The shares get a little long. Yeah, that is the one part that, like, and I get it. I get it because some people, they just, they need an outlet. They need to share. And I liked hearing some of it. But when you've been up for 14 hours and people start sharing and it's like another hour and we're all starving because we haven't eaten since, you know, noon the previous day. And it's going on 930 in the morning. It's time to wrap up the shares. We can talk about this at breakfast. And the 14 hours, my mathematics skills are sometimes rusty. I got up at 6.30 Thursday morning. And we are now all the way to 9 o'clock Friday morning. Yeah. So that's 27 hours. I meant like, is it 14 hours to home running? But yes, we've been up for a long time. A long time. And we get to then go have breakfast. So everybody kind of, not kind of, everybody meanders from the Moloka. They might stop by their place for a second and change shirts or do whatever. I happened to just walk right over to the breakfast spot. I hopped in the pool to get some of the stickiness and some of the uniqueness off of my body. And we had just the most glorious meal, sharing what happened. Of course, then to go back to the room, Wendy said, I'm ready for at least a small nap. In not so polite terms, she was pretty shot. I was shot. Well, I had no part of me that was tired at all. I just, and I got about an hour and 15 minutes. That was about all I was going to get. And I got none of that and didn't want it, right? So I'm doing work and reading and writing stuff down. And Jerry had moved our meeting from 1 until 2.30 that day. And so we have lunch. Lindsay and I go have lunch because it meeting from 1 until 2.30 that day. And so we have lunch. Lindsay and I go have lunch because it's from 12 until 2. And I wrap that up and I go see Jerry. And in the meeting with Jerry, we're talking about some different business stuff. It doesn't really much matter. And I stop. I'm like, do you mind if I, let me just share some stuff that came to me yesterday. And I lay out all the numbers and all the things that were on this magic blackboard in my mind. And he looks at me and smiles and he says, you know, Brian, there's two areas of opportunity that we found in our Wednesday meeting. One was some of the stuff you're helping us with right now. And one is the stuff that you just shared with us in the numbers right you had no idea what those numbers were and yeah these numbers aren't things like we're talking about attrition rate and you're talking about rack rate as you increase in the hotel world and you're talking about you know what it costs to facilitate a customer and number of times customers come back like there's no real way for me to know these things, but I knew them knew them. Almost down to a freakish number. And then that turned into let's have another meeting on Saturday, which we did. And it was just so incredible that this medicine started showing me, like I asked to show me the path of the greatest impact and it says arrhythmia and it's like, no shit, I'm at arrhythmia. But then I see, I see the path I the greatest impact and it says rhythm and it's like no shit I'm at rhythm yeah mm-hmm but then I see like I see the path I get to I'm so fortunate to walk through with clients and I'm incredibly fortunate to get to see some really powerful breakthroughs some stuff that's truly truly breathtaking right oh my god I know what it costs for my time. I know what that looks like. I believe with every part of my soul that in 45 days versus 120 days, I could probably get further with someone knowing that like halfway through, three quarters of the way through, they make a pit stop in Rhythmia with me.
Use Of Drugs (41:40)
Then they come back on the backside and they integrate back in. It's like it just, my paths are taking me that way. I mean, I agree with you. I think that walking into Rhythmia and the ayahuasca experience and the whole thing, I was a little hesitant and I was a little nervous, right? We all heard that I was crying in line the first day. But it was just truly because I didn't, I didn't understand what it was that I was going to be unlocking. And I didn't understand how powerful the tool it was. And of course, modern and mainstream society would have you believe that ayahuasca is terrible, and you're a drug head, and you're looking to get high and like all the things that mainstream media and the government and big pharma and all that want you to believe because they don't want that healing tool out there that's truly what it comes down to it's the most life-changing thing I have done up until this point in my 37 years and I would recommend it to anyone. Yes. They laughingly say in the intake, right, that many people will experience in the four days, total of seven days, but the four days of plant medicine, that you will experience and receive more long-lasting healing than you do in two three four years of therapy and i believe it with no question right i'm not a paid spokesperson i'm not a part of rhythmia i'm not i don't get some sort of kickback or commission it's just like to see however you view me is is up you. I know myself, I've done a tremendous amount of work on me, like more so than I think the average person, I don't even care, more so than people do, right? I'm freakish with optimizing who I am. This provided so much for me that I can't imagine. If you're someone that has only started going on a personal development route or started, maybe you've been in therapy or counseling or some things like that for a while and it's not really clicking and you don't know about someone helping you or coaching, whatever you call it.
Retreats And Misconceptions Of Ayahuasca
Why a retreat (like a Rhythmia retreat) changes ones life (43:56)
Like this is like putting your foot on the gas pedal and just getting it all out. Oh, yeah. One of my, one of my neighbors, the first night she said, I've been in therapy for 15 years trying to work through childhood trauma and adult issue, adult life issues and marriage issues and relationship issues and just things, right? I've always been labeled as the person that has problems, issues, mental disorders. And that was the first night. And I talked to her on Sunday before we left and still have followed up with her in the in the week that we've been home. And she is a totally different person per her own admittance, right? And the change that I saw from her on day one to day seven was astronomical. And I didn't know her coming into this. But she just said like, this was more healing than my 15 years of therapy. And that's not to discredit therapy. It's just it's an extra tool that opens up new pathways within your mind for deeper understanding and healing about who you are and what your life is, what your life is and the connection to other humans and the world itself. And I, I will, I will be a little more critical of therapy. To me, therapy as it sits is a beautiful tool. The over-regulation of what can be said and what cannot be said in a therapeutic setting based off of all the rules regulations guidelines to me are now designed not to make rapid impact changes on someone's life but to keep them feeling stuck for a long period of time right well i think that's a whole thing with big pharma and then they're not doing it the practitioners i don't believe do it on, but they're boxed into that keeping you sick modality so that they can keep feeding you pills so that they can keep making money. that when you go down that path to that level you get handcuffed in a certain capacity by the nature of the oath that you sign and the agreements that you have to entertain and I think there's some really really impactful ways to make some big swings in your life to change that are in addition to or in replace of therapy or counseling yeah well i mean one gentleman you sat next to had a master's degree in psychology and then also a neurosurgeon i mean there were some wickedly smart people there with just broad spectrum knowledge on neuroplasticity and how the mind works and psychology and medical backgrounds and they were all like holy shit this is life-changing and we can cover then you know friday is a relaxed day saturday we go into town sunday we go home right like just speed through some of that stuff it's it's not that it's not an exciting but it's yeah cost, Costa Rica was lovely. The people are amazing. They live with almost nothing and they are the happiest people I've ever seen. Very, very cool culture. But now I want to cover the not so good side, right? If you made it to this side of our conversation, it wouldn't be right for me to only share the beauty without the things that maybe aren't so beautiful. Since coming back and diving much deeper into the marketing and automation of Rhythmia as a resort, I see an underlying current that I had never given consideration to before of this place. Yeah, we talked about this yesterday. I had had an opportunity more than a year ago to go to Peru, kind of the indigenous, I can't say place that Ayahuasca, you know, was found. But if you talk to people that are purists, right, going to the jungles of Peru is kind of like, that's the way you take Ayahuasca. You make a pilgrimage, you go down there, you find a shaman in the middle of the woods, you sleep in a hut or a tent, like you're're you're truly rough it you go all the way in i had that planned right i was going to go down and it just so happened by completely as it was supposed to i got my abscess on my leg went and saw my doctor asked him for flight clearance he wouldn't give it to me based off literally still having an open wound that was packed with packing gauze yeah and, and to go to the jungle is probably not the best idea when you already have a massive infection. Wouldn't give it to me. Yeah. Then I had a retreat planned to California with a shaman that travels throughout the U.S. And I kind of quiet off the radar way. But I had my good friend Michael Buffington that asked me to come down and speak at his event. And it was just an overlapping time period. It couldn't be two places at once. And eventually, Rhythmia comes about. And one of the things that is this consistent comment on their posts is that they are monopolizing the sacred nature of the plant medicine and that they're just turning it into a way to make money. Right. And the ayahuasca experience is not supposed to be luxurious. Now, I can say that Jerry Powell is a legitimate friend of mine at this point. This isn't something of like, I think I'm not just saying it, like call him right now. He would answer the phone while I'm on the show right now. Jerry had one exit for a business for $67 million or so, I think. That was his net. I think it was like 120 something, didn't you? So he had two exits. Oh, that's right. The second exit was $91 million or $96 and he netted $61. Jerry is wickedly intelligent as it pertains to business and how to grow, scale, and optimize an operation on a national or multinational basis. Understanding that not every person on the planet has the internal wherewithal to traipse down to Peru or Colombia, try to track down a shaman, trust a shaman where you don't speak the language that he's providing you the right type of medicine. Not everybody has that. Moreover than that, there's a lot of people that should not take ayahuasca. If you're type 1 bipolar, you have extreme mental disorders. There's some things. Major heart disease is a big no-no. Yeah, there's some things that they walk through very specifically in the medical intake that are non-starters. Like this is something that is, they don't want anybody to have an unpleasant experience let alone to die. And so while this is a luxury resort, make no mistake about it, the accommodations are beautiful. The spa is incredible. The food is amazing. The grounds are kept up impeccably. It's gorgeous. Everything is dialed in just so. because you don't get the quote-unquote normal experience of being out in the jungle worrying about pumas and jaguars and anacondas or whatever could be in the jungle eating you. I mean, there were monkeys in the hammocks the first night of our ceremonies that they were chasing away. So, like, there's wildlife. You're in the jungle still. But if you're looking for the traditional go to the jungle, rough it. No restrooms. Do all that stuff. This would not be your place. What I will say is there's no part of this that is done with the feeling of being for money. Now money in my estimation is nothing more than a change of energy. Now money in my estimation is nothing more than a change of energy. Jerry has set up a fund that is a scholarship fund that will bring, I don't remember if you said 24 or 64 people throughout the course of a year to Rhythmia free. Right? Like pay for the flight, pay for the accommodations, accommodations pay for the medicine pay for everything for free like this is about making a sacred plant available to everyone across the board and you could save five six seven grand whatever it costs. That's too expensive. There's no way. He's got to be crushing it.
Why Columbus, Ohio Hotel (52:29)
We live in Columbus, Ohio. We do. That's where we're sitting. We put on an event at a hotel here. And the rack room rate right now, if we were to look it up online, is $329 a night. It is. We stayed Saturday night. No, we stayed Sunday night, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. We stayed seven full nights. We did. Just that alone, with taxes and fees and all that stuff, give or take staying in Columbus, Ohio would be, let's say about $2,500. You then would have at least two meals a day of going out to eat or even eating in the restaurant at the hotel. At least two meals a day of going out to eat or even eating in the restaurant at the hotel.
SVH Spreading Examples To Outline A Jong Experience Does Not Equal A Monopoly (53:04)
Yeah. That's 80 bucks a day per person, seven days. Right? So whatever that is, 560 bucks times two, that's another 1,200 bucks. Mm-hmm. Then we had three colonics a piece. Yep. And a massage. Yeah. I've never, I don't know exactly how much colonics cost. I haven't priced those out. But I can assume a $50 colonic is fair. It's another $300. The massages, certainly, we've had those before. Those are $100, $120 an hour. All right, so there's another $250. Just bare minimum to do that stuff in Columbus, Ohio. Now granted, Sunday night we had dinner. Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday we had multiple meals. So really I'm underplaying the expense of the meals. You're four grand into just coming to Columbus for a week. You're not doing anything really fun. You're staying at a pretty decent hotel, having hotel food. We're not talking about really fun. You're staying at a pretty decent hotel, having hotel food. We're not talking about going and eating the type of food we were eating. Oh, the food. The food is just, I can't say enough about the food.
Bastardizing The Medicine (54:14)
We're not talking about transportation back and forth to and from anywhere. We're not talking about any of that stuff. And so the thought of over and over again of like, it's so expensive, it's so expensive. Or it's bastardizing the medicine. For me personally, I just don't see it that way. I don't either. I never did. But that's the counter side of this. This is the potential negative. I did see though that the people that were commenting about things like that, bastardizing the medicine, monopolizing for money, all that stuff, were people that have never been to Rhythmia or never experienced ayahuasca. So, right, we've got the keyboard warriors that are sitting there behind their screens typing away like they know something when they've not experienced either side of it.
As Many credentials (54:53)
And when the shamans the first night had been practicing and had been we'll call them licensed shamans for if i remember 20 plus years 20 years yeah they were leaving we were their last ceremony until they were going back to peru to study more for the next year the shamans and night two have had more documented plant-based medicine experiences, they've facilitated more in the past three years. And I believe they were trained in Africa. Yep. Than anybody else. Yep. Anybody else, period. And the shaman, the fourth knight, is from Colombia. He came in town with all the stuff. Lineage tribe, right, yeah. This ancient shit. So I suppose there could be something to be said for if you'd like to bring your own tent, sleep outside, burn a fire on the grounds, bring your own beans, whatever, heat them up in the thing. I don't know. I mean, for my modern society mindset i don't mind sleeping in a tent i don't mind going to a jungle but to experience something like we experienced i know that i felt safe and secure and i trusted the people that were around me to make sure that i was going to be okay and that everybody was going to be okay. And I would not now go to the jungle and do it because I had such a safe and welcoming experience now that I honestly would be scared to do it another way. Yeah, I mean, when you're here, Jeff can't use the medicine ever because when someone's using the medicine, he has to be on call as the lead psychiatrist. Like there's an ambulance there for every ceremony that has – it's completely staffed. There's a doctor on staff waiting. There's a couple of EMTs, two nurses, and then Jeff is on staff. They are at the site. They are at the front. You can't see them. You don't know that they're there. But if there is an issue with anybody for any reason, they have a full medical staff waiting immediately. So to me, it's, you know, think of all the family vacations you could take. You think of all the things you could do, right, to take seven days away and go somewhere where you get healed and you get to experience phenomenal everything, that expense isn't that expensive. I don't think so. And especially because I'm working on some ways with them to get financing for you and a whole bunch of other stuff where literally as long as you have a $500 commitment on the front side, there's a way to make some things happen.
Family Vogue (57:38)
That's why I asked when we started the show, if any of this has been interesting to you. Yeah. Reach out to one of us and we'll get you some details to reach out. Because again, I know every quarter I'm going to be going back bare minimum to help lead people into that experience. And this first group that's coming, I'm completely vetting out the fact of they have a 93.77% miracle success rate. Yes. That's the number of people that come and get everything they want and plus some before they leave. And I believe they're close to 5,000 people. Is that right? This week, they're over 5,000 people now. Yep.
Journey Of Rhythmias
Rhythmias Journey From Day One (58:15)
My goal is to take people down with a, like I said, 20, 21, maybe it'll be a 15-day lead-up of some real simple work, like I said, 20, 21, maybe it'll be a 15 day lead up of some real simple work, some coaching to get some things processing so that when you get down there, it is just the most beautiful experience for you possible. If I can prove that takes a miracle rate from 93.77 to 99.77, it's a win. Like it becomes part of what they do, which also becomes part of what I get to add, which helps me make. Like it shows me the path to make the greatest impact. Which is what this whole show has been about. Exactly what you asked her for. And like the same thing. Like I don't know if I covered this or not. On two weeks ago shows. I think I did. The whole idea of impacting 125 million people's lives. Yes you did. Like this is just another piece of that. Like you come to Rhythmia. You feel different. You go home. You come to Rhythmia. You feel different. You go home. You don't get triggered anymore. You show up with more love for your family, your friends, everybody else. They ask what's going on. The ripple becomes massive. The butterfly effect with everything that Jerry has going on, five years from now, the world could literally be a different place if they hit the numbers they need to. I don't have anything more about arrhythmia. I got it all out. Clearly, we thoroughly enjoyed our time there. We thoroughly believe in the practice and the people. There wasn't a single human being there that isn't full of love and a wealth of knowledge and willing to help. It was beautiful. knowledge and willing to help. It was, it was beautiful. And so if you will come and join us in a Rhythmia excursion, either July 21st through the 28th, most likely sometime in October or sometime in January, when you come home, I guarantee that you'll be able to get shit done. Done.