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Intro (00:00)

At this altitude I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start shaking. Can I answer your personal question? No, I would have seen it at the right time. What if I did the opposite? I'm a cybernetic organism, living tissue over a metal enthoskeleton. The Tim Ferriss Show. This episode is brought to you by MeUndies. If I'm not going commando, I'm in MeUndies. I have been testing these underwear for three to four months now, pretty much every day, and in fact throughout a bunch of my other underwear this morning. And on the road, in the house, they are extremely comfortable. They look good, feel good. They are made of Micro Modal, two times softer than cotton, as scientifically tested using the Kawabata method. Sounds very fancy, of course. And I get a lot of compliments from the ladies for these. You don't get diaper butt, you don't get the tired elastic band. They look great, and they have underwear for both men and women. 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That is less than $5 a month to invest a $30,000 account, for instance. Now, normally, when I have a sponsor on this show, it's because I use them and recommend them. In this case, it's a little different. I don't use Wealthfront yet because I'm not allowed to. Here's the deal. They wanted to sponsor this podcast, but because of SEC regulations, companies that invest your money are not allowed to use client testimonials. So I couldn't be a user and have them on the podcast. But I've been so impressed by Wealthfront that I've invested a significant amount of my own money, at least for me, in the team and the company itself. So I am an investor and hope to soon use it as a client. Now back to the recommendation. As a Tim Ferriss Show listener, you'll get $15,000 managed for free if you decide to open an account. But just start with seeing the portfolio that they would suggest for you. Take two minutes, fill out their questionnaire at Wealthfront.com/tim. It's fast, it's free. There's no downside that I can think of. Hello, my fine feathered friends. This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job each episode to deconstruct world-class performers and tease out the routines, habits, daily rituals, breakfasts, favorite books, whatever it might be that you can emulate, test in your own life. This episode is a role reversal and a very hilarious one at that. Jamie Foxx is back on the show. This is a round two where he interviewed me for his radio show and we simultaneously recorded for the podcast. It was great fun. We recorded in his studio at his home in Los Angeles. For those of you who didn't hear the first appearance of Jamie on the podcast, it was voted 2015 Podcast of the Year last year with Product Hunt and others. The title was Jamie Foxx on Workout Routines, Success Habits, and Untold Hollywood Stories. You can check that out at 4hourworkweek.com/jamie. For those interested, the second place runner-up for Podcast of the Year was also from The Tim Ferriss Show, and that was Naval Ravikant. If you haven't heard of him, you've got to learn all about him. That is 4hourworkweek.com/naval.

Meet The Inventor And His Experiences

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A few things about this episode. It's cut up into segments because we were taking commercial breaks for the radio show. There were a number of songs that Jamie comments on or refers to indirectly that I couldn't play in this podcast due to copyright reasons. They are from "Ceú, male molencia" and one of the hottest voices and faces ever. That is Brazilian Portuguese. "Babymetal, karate, Federico, abel, esta noche" and then "Seven Dust, splinter." All of these will be linked to in the show notes, so just go to 4hourworkweek.com/podcast for all the show notes on this episode and every other episode. There are going to be a couple of stories in here for very long-term listeners that you've probably heard some variation of before, because people ask me about some of my backstory, etc. There are definitely things you have not heard before, including Jamie's exploration of past lives and it goes in many different directions. But I think you'll enjoy it and at the very least listen to the first few minutes because Jamie is the consummate performer, which is of course what you would expect from someone who is an Academy Award-winning actor, Grammy Award-winning musician, and a famous stand-up and improv comedian. He has all the tools in the toolkit. You can say hi to Jamie on Twitter @iamjamiefoxx and without further ado, please enjoy this raucous romp through the mind of Jamie Foxx and yours truly. If I told you that Oprah Winfrey is now a white man, if I told you that Oprah Winfrey has now become Caucasian, what would you say? I got a chance to meet this man. This man literally changed my life. My young friend Ricardo, who speaks seven languages, he's a heartthrob, he explained to me about who this guy was, he said, "You need to do this guy's podcast." And I was like, "Really?" Because I was such... I'm ancient. When it came to the internet, when it came to these things and social media, I was so far behind that Ricardo would always say, "You got to shake off the dust." You know, it was like my parents when they were trying to figure out a microwave. And he brought this guy to my house and we did this incredible interview. And literally, it was like I had a record out when I left. It was like I had a movie out when I left. I was getting stopped by people of all walks of life. He said, "Jamie, I don't necessarily like your shit, but what you did on this man's show moved me." Joe Rogan, who I'm known from the comedy world, Ricardo sends me a clip of Joe Rogan talking about this man. I'm talking about now 70 million downloads. Am I right? 70 million! Some of you guys don't even have 65 likes and you're constantly, constantly, constantly posting. You need to get it together. Maybe you need his four-hour plan. I'm talking about none other. The Oprah Winfrey of the internet.

Meet the Inventor (09:05)

Ladies and gentlemen, turn the music up! Tim Ferriss is in the building! Tim, how you doing, baby? I'm doing fantastic, so thanks again for having me. Hey man. I love this studio. There's good vibes in this studio. Great vibes, man. Listen, all I can say is that I cannot say enough of who you are. I was in New York. Lawyers, doctors, all walks of people came up to me and said, "Yo, Jamie, the Tim Ferriss interview took me over the moon." And I was like, I was, obviously Ricardo had told me who you were and all the research. But I still cannot put into words how you impact the world. Where do you come from? What are you doing since 1977? You were born in '87. I was born in '77. I had time to pick up, break into electric boogaloo. A little cardboard on Long Island. Now the song we just played is one of Tim's top five songs. What was the name of that song? That is "Male Molentia" by a singer named Seu from Brazil. Wow. And you know what? You made the foxhole work too because I asked him for his five songs and he didn't give me no iTunes shit. He said, "Get in them crates. Get in those crates." And luckily we have a Cuban who's putting things together. And before Trump gets in office, you know, we got a few... anyway. We got a few minutes. We'll talk about all that later on. We're here with Tim Ferriss. Tim, where do you come from, man? And how... what gives you the mindset? Now I've met you. You've interviewed me. But like now people want to know who you are. Like where do you come from? I was born and raised on Long Island. Wow. Rat tail and all. Long Island. Strong Island. Strong Island. Out at the end. And mom was a physical therapist. Dad, a real estate broker. Local real estate broker. And my parents were very good at encouraging me and my younger brother. That's the family. To explore. And they always had... they didn't have much budget for anything other than books. So if we latched onto something, they would take us to say the remainder table at the bookstore and find these discounted books. Wow. The remainder table. Yeah. And that is where I think a lot of the experimentation started. Mostly because I was very hyperactive as a kid, but I was a runt. I was born premature. And so my mom got some good word from the other ladies, the other moms, that kid wrestling was a good place to exhaust your kid. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. So she threw me into wrestling. And I had no endurance except some lung issues and other issues. So I started getting very good in high school at cutting weight. And that's where I started really studying the human body and this obsession with self-experimentation took off. Why self-experimentation? What makes you think that though? I mean, because here's what I say all the time. It's like people have gifts. Everybody's given a gift. But what would make you think self-experimentation and how would that manifest to what it is right now? Or did you foresee that? Well, I think that one of the catalysts was a weakness that turned into a strength. So for cutting weight, I always sweat very easily, which meant that I could get dehydrated very easily. Now, that was a liability and a problem in so many other sports. But in wrestling, if I'm trying to cut down to a lower weight class, it was a huge advantage. I could lose water weight very quickly. And so I started thinking, well, if that's the case, that this weakness can be turned into a strength, where else can I find Achilles heels that I can turn into advantages? And it just led me to be a bit more analytical than, I suppose, some of the other kids who were normal. And they could compete in the normal way. I just couldn't do that. And I also had a very influential coach, wrestling coach, Mr. Buxton, who was, I think, a rarity in today's climate at least. He was a hard ass who cared enough to really beat your ass. Yeah, that's the old school, Tim. We don't have that no more. You can't touch the kids no more. My father was a teacher for 20 years. He can't touch the kids. I wouldn't be able to govern in this. So he would whip your ass, huh? Oh, yeah. I just remember one practice we had, these drills, they're called blood circles, or some horrible name. Oh, man. And I was like, Mr. Buxton, I don't think I can do it. I don't think I can do it. And he's not only a successful coach. I mean, he was a TriVarsity athlete in college and exceptional athlete and coach. But he was also very good at teaching. He was a teacher, English teacher, I believe, and an incredible fundraiser for the school. So he was multi-talented. Now he's the Dean of Culver Academy, military academy in Indiana. But I remember at one point I was like, Mr. Buxton, I can't do it anymore. I'm going to puke. And he's like, that's what the bucket over there is for. So go over there and puke and then come back and continue the drilling. And what was great about that environment, although I didn't realize it at the time, is that he pushed all of us past the point that we felt was our limit. And if you look at the kids who are in that wrestling team, like my wrestling partner, a guy named Charles Best, who was a year ahead of me, always beat me by one point. Wrestle-offs for the Rarsity spot. Where's Charles now? So Charles is the CEO and founder of a nonprofit called DonorsChoose, which is a huge educational nonprofit that has people like Oprah Winfrey and Stephen Colbert and all these supporters. Huge, massive success that's changing the world. And he also credits a lot of his success back to Mr. Buxton. To the coach, Steel, Sharp and Steel. It's Jamie Foxx, Foxx already. You know how we get down. Series 96. We are with the Oprah Winfrey of the Internet. We're with the Oprah. His podcast is number one.

Self-Experimenter vs Guinea Pig (15:01)

He's breaking it down on how he learned what self-experimentation was. He tells us that his coach, which I still credit my coach, Coach Heisek, my seventh grade coach who gave me licks if my grades was wrong, gave me licks if I got caught outside. You know, he made sure he was doing it. He's given us building blocks. But talk about this. When you say there was a problem, can you speak on what it was? You had a lung situation? Yeah, I had. So my lung collapsed when I was born. And I think I had five total blood transfusions. So I was in the ICU as a young kid. And so I still have scars on the left side of my chest. And then on my wrist here, it looks kind of like a cigarette burn. It's not a cigarette burn. I was about to say. That's from being intubated. And so even to this day, I'm very, very sensitive to heat. And I have a lot of issues with even heat stroke in a few occasions where I've had to be hospitalized. And I just my brain just doesn't function. It turns off. It has a set point where these things called heat shock proteins and whatnot get triggered at a relatively low temperature compared to other folks. Right. So you got to stay cool. I have to say cool. Yeah. Got to stay cool. Got to stay cool. Yeah. It almost sounds like a superhero. It's like a it's like remember Unbreakable. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like, wow, you take these things. It's like he's a superhero. He's able to be he's able to to to give you four hour plan. But don't let him.

Self Experiments, Tim's Most Challenging Ones (16:27)

Don't let him be in the sun. Definitely weak in the sun. See, I'm not I look like the underbelly of, I don't know, manatee or so. Sorry, but I have a lot of spray tanned in there. You know, a couple of white girls came through. Well, I think what if I was a comic book nerd grown up, so I collected comics and a favorite come Wolverine. Wow. Because Wolverine was human. He was human. Yeah. Speak on it. Speak on it, brother. Wolverine and the Punisher. So I was in other words, I was I was fans of the human comic book heroes who had found strengths or augmented strengths like Superman. It's like, hey, you were born that way. Yeah. But Batman, like you had to build all the tools around him. So that appealed to me as kind of a tinkerer. And, you know, even to this day, the I trace it all back to these physical problems that I had as a kid. And for instance, this is about, let's say, five, five or 10 years ago, I did an experiment at Stanford University. They were I found out that they were doing research on heat tolerance for soldiers. And I was like, oh, this is a chance for me to gather data on myself and figure out why my brain turns off. And so the experiment was terrible. What they had us do is that have to put an esophageal probe down my nose. So this is a piece of plastic that's about two feet long. You put it through your nostril, down your throat to your heart. Wow. Level to measure your core body temperature. And then you then you tape it so it doesn't get lost. And then you take another one and you stick it up the other end because what is what is what does that mean? You stick it up your ass. Oh, OK. Up to your heart. That direction. Wow. So because the military wants that data. And then you put on a full military outfit like full military gear, weighted backpack, helmet, everything. You go into one hundred and I think it was four degrees sauna and march on an incline treadmill to exhaustion until you basically have heated heat. So you so you have something up your ass and up, you know, and down your nose. This is going on. No wonder you you know your shit to be able to literally. Oh, yeah. And you did this. I did. And what they were testing was a glove that you stuck your hand into this glove and it would create a vacuum around your wrist and then circulate cold water around. A metal cylinder that you grabbed in the theory was you could use that to rapidly cool your body temperature. So they wanted to develop it for soldiers. Right. And it was being tested at the time by some very, very good boxers. Very, very good athletes. So that was that was all it took for me to volunteer to do it. I only did about four sessions. I was like after the four sessions, I was like, all right. I think I've had enough of this. Did you smoke a cigarette after? Ladies and gentlemen, Jamie Foxx Foxx. Radio is serious. XM 96. We're going to take a break. We come in right back and find out how he went from that. To be in the top person on the Internet. This is another song that he loves. Another one bites the dust. Tim Ferriss. We're back in a moment. Serious XM 96. Self. Experimentation leading up to being one of the most sought afters. The number one podcast in the world. I'm here with none other than the incredible, the remarkable superhero. Superhero Tim Ferriss in the building. How are you doing, man?

Why Tim Says Living in Japan Was a Life-Changing Experience (19:55)

Better and better. Better and better. So take me through it. Take me through going through the through the experiments. Finding out what you want to do up until for our workweek. Sure. So the the trajectory was. But get me to that. But just don't go straight to that. Oh, no, I'll get you there. I'll get you there. You know, was where did you where did you where did you find this niche? Well, I think there were a couple of things. So I had an opportunity my sophomore year in high school to go abroad for the first time. There was an exchange program that was available to me and I'd never spent really any time outside the United States. You know, Niagara Falls may have crossed over in Canada, but went to Japan for a year and lived with Japanese families, went to a Japanese school. I was the only at one point, the only the only white kid, only American kid at school, 5000 Japanese kids, school uniforms and everything. So I was completely immersed in that culture for a year. And it what it showed me was how arbitrary a lot of our rules are. Meaning like we drive on one side of the street, they drive on the other. We we take showers a certain way. They share baths. But you have to take a shower before you get in the bath. And the whole family uses the same bathwater. Is that some kind of spiritual thing? It's it's just a Japanese cultural tradition. Oh, they have these deep soaking baths and they go in order seniority. So it's like grandma gets to go in first. Wow. Then dad, then mom, then the siblings from oldest to youngest. So it's like if you're the youngest kid, you get you get the dregs. You get all that. You get all you get grandma's. Oh, yeah. You got grandma's cubes floating around. It's it's it's a trip. So that's not an exaggeration. I was like, oh, yeah. So so you get in after the whole family. So, I mean, I would get in actually before the youngest brother because I was older than he was. But the point being that it it showed me that our rules were very arbitrary. A lot of our rules are just kind of socially reinforced and that there's room to improvise. You can negotiate those things. You can experiment. You can be different. You can march to your own drummer. And when I came back, I finished high school and ended up going to college in New Jersey. I went to Princeton undergraduate and first studied neuroscience and then transferred to East Asian studies where I focused on Japanese, Chinese and Korean. I was mostly focused on the languages and language. And why that? Why do you feel it was that? What is it? The certain disciplines that they have or or when you went over there, you felt something that that made you change. Like so sort of like when I went to Africa, like there was this thing that I felt like it was from. I said, wow, I feel this amazing thing in Mozambique. And I stood, you know, in the ocean. And I was like, oh, I feel this thing. Is that the same? You know, you're the first person who's kind of dug into this. Yes, I did feel something when I was there. And, you know, I don't want to go as far to say, like, oh, my God, maybe in a past life, this that or the other thing. But I was there for us on our show. Please do that, because we don't we don't we don't want to you know, we we don't skim. So if you really felt that, I'll jump right into it. You know, I did. I did. And to the extent that, you know, some of my closest friends when I got into judo and I was training in different martial arts there and so on, they would say, oh, I didn't know my new home. Now, they would insist they're like, you're Japanese, you're not American, you're Japanese. And I don't get it. That's weird. So they would always I mean, there's an expression, which is just like strange foreigner. And then it's like, oh, my hand. And then they would just go on and on. Help me say that. What do you say? So strange. Okay. Now, how does it. So if you want to say strange foreigner. Yeah. It's henna. Henna. Gaijin. Gaijin. Yeah. Henna Gaijin. So if you. Yeah. So if you want it to like if you're hanging out some Japanese people and then some non-Japanese did something funny, you just wait till they walked off and look at them and just go. Henna Gaijin. Henna Gaijin. Or if I'm just hanging out with some rappers and I don't like their song, I just. Henna Gaijin. But here's the thing. Like, but speak on that spiritual thing, because I think I think that is really real. Yeah. And we've talked, you know, we were at a party and you express something about, you know, coyotes and things like that.

What a Strange Foreigner/Japanese Henna Gaijin (24:06)

But speak speak on that, that you felt something. So in in Japan, I felt like in a lot of ways I was returning home to a place I had never been, which is an odd feeling to have. But the simplicity, the striving for elegance and the way they use negative space, for instance, just the way that you'll have certain rooms in the house that are extremely uncluttered, that are used for. They have altars, they have tatami rooms, and it just struck a chord with me. And I felt like I was returning to something. But of course, I had never been there previously. And the, quite frankly, a lot of the strict rules that they socially enforce.


You have, for instance, in the Judo Club, you have, and this can go wrong, right? I'm not saying all of it's good, but you have you have senpai, which are like the upperclassmen, and then you have kohai, which are like the lowerclassmen. And it's very hierarchical. You do what the senpai tell you to do. But it was what I really enjoyed about it. And what I had not really had, because I was the oldest sibling in my family, was like, they'll beat your ass, but no one else is allowed to beat your ass. You know what I mean? So it was a very kind of older brother type of relationship, but I was always the oldest, so I hadn't ever experienced that. And I found just like tremendous comfort in that, to a large extent. And it was an easy to understand culture also. I think in the U.S. right now, people are prone not to say what they mean. And I'll come back to that in a second. And there's so much political correctness. Wow, I want to get into that. I want to get into that as a comedian. I want to get into that as a comedian. And everybody's concerned with upsetting everyone else's feelings. Whereas in Japan, once you get past what they call tatemai, so tatemai is like what you put forward to other people. And then honne is what you really feel. And only if you speak Japanese, people are like, oh my god, Japanese people, they never say what they mean. I'm like, that's bullshit, you just don't speak Japanese. If you speak the language, they'll let you in. They're constantly saying, the shoes you got on. Yeah, yeah. And I just found it a very refreshing culture in the sense that there were rules that had worked for them for thousands of years. And not all positive things came from them, but it did feel oddly familiar to me. Wow. Wow, that's amazing. Because you say that quite frankly, or maybe it could have been a past life. We did a great radio interview with Quentin Tarantino on here. And we talked about how he used the N-word, how he used the word. And I wanted to get him on because a lot of black folks, especially dealing with all the things, with the Oscars, all these different things about that word and why Quentin Tarantino. And he said, before we got on the radio, and he also said on the radio, I felt that in my past life, I was actually a black man. And when he said that, it was no hokiness. It was actually, you know, you believe it because he spoke with conviction. So talk about it. Do you think that we do live past lives or is it selective? I don't rule it out. I mean, I don't have any evidence for it, but my experience in Japan was quirky enough and just felt deep and real enough that there seems to be more to the story. Right, right, right. And even to the extent, and of course there are alternate ways to explain this, but I had trouble learning Spanish. Then I went to Japan and I picked up Japanese like a snap of the fingers. And there were challenges, but even the characters and so on came to me very naturally. And I think that was part of visual memory. But it was a transformative experience. So that year abroad sort of informed and changed the trajectory of my life completely. And the way that I related to American culture and to thinking of myself and to thinking of what was, you know, quote unquote, real or realistic. Well, here's a culture that works just fine. And it's totally different. Like the rules of engagement, the rules of interrelating are totally different. So what's to prevent me from taking those and bringing them back to the US or just trying to find option C? And so I think that is also something that opened my eyes to just asking what if questions like, well, what if I did this that no one else is doing? What's the worst thing that could happen? What's the downside? Let me try it and then test, test, test, test, test. It's Jamie Foxx, Foxxo Radio. We're getting deep right now. It's Foxxo Radio Series 96. If you don't know, you better know. Tim Ferriss right now. Go to his podcast right now.

TV AND FILM (28:54)

He's the number one podcast in the world. 70 billion downloads. 70 billion. We're closing. I'm working on billion. 70 million. But you know what I'm saying? We on our way there. He is considered the Oprah Winfrey of audio podcast. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. Let me keep on with this. You said something about the political incorrectness. You said something about what are we going through right now in the world?


Because I do feel that there is a fine line. Me as a comedian, I've always, you know, I've been put on this earth for that. I've been put on this earth to look at what is funny no matter what. Whether it's Christian, whether it's Muslim, whether it's fat, skinny, tall, short, that is my license. But right now in America, we're going through something that is incredibly weird. Especially when I talk to Jay Leno. I talk to Rock, Chris Rock, who had a very, very tough time landing at the Oscars, which was tough. I thought it was the toughest job in the world for him to have to do because we want to respect Jada Pinkett Smith in that sense. But at the same time, we have to do our jokes because of it. And it put him in this weird thing. What do you think we should do? Since you're the Oprah Winfrey, we're coming to you right now. Tim, put us in the right light. What do we need to be?


I think we should worry about helping people and not placating people. I think we should concern ourselves with speaking truth and not glad-handing.


That's easier said than done, of course, but I've said this to friends of mine in close conversation where I live in Silicon Valley before, that I feel like comedians are the only people right now who can speak truth. And it's just like the court jester back in the day. The court jester could speak truth to the king. Anyone else could have their head lopped off. And that person had license. And my feeling is hopefully we can expand that. We need to expand that because I've noticed among some of my most intelligent, most incisive, most influential friends, they've just opted out of the conversation because they're afraid of getting chased by the lynch mob, so to speak, for saying anything that is truth. And that's a dangerous trend. That's a very dangerous trend. And I'll just mention one more thing, which is there's a book that a lot of people read in high school called Fahrenheit 451. And these firemen run around and they burn books. And if you ask anyone who's read the book, but hasn't read it in like 20 years, what do you remember of how that came to be in the book?


They'd say, oh, there's this totalitarian government. The truth is it was the people. It was the people who decided that any dissenting opinions that would offend specific groups in society ought to be burned. So it was self-inflicted. And I think that's what we're doing right now is we are slowly torching the First Amendment and free speech by basically just going on these witch hunts. And I think it's the most dangerous thing in the U.S. right now. And here's the thing. And I think what's also dangerous, too, is sometimes the wrong people bring the message, without mentioning any names. But sometimes it makes it hard when other people go so far and it ain't funny. You know, like, like, like I always say like this, yeah, we could say whatever we want to say, as long as you have it wrapped up in some sort of funny or something that gives us a little caveat of I care about you. Yeah, I'm going to talk about you. I did a joke about Bruce Jenner early on. But the reason that my joke, the reason that the joke was there is because in comedy, if we are all equal, then that means everybody gets equal jokes. Like, I can't do the black joke and then not do the white joke. There was a situation when I had to do I had I had to host this this I had to host this award show and they went through and they looked at all of our jokes and all the jokes that were for African-Americans. They were like, oh, man, that is hilarious. But then the ones that weren't for African-Americans, which was, you know, some of the white people who they had a hard time with. And I was like, listen, I was like, listen, I said, we have to do it all across the board. Straight, gay, black, white. We have to give everybody an opportunity to get in.

Philosophical Discussions

The Joke (33:29)

And they were so nervous about me doing this. But when we went out and did them, even the people that we were talking about came up and said, oh, man, we loved it because it felt like they were part of the party. And it was sort of like I said, you got to trust the comedian that, yeah, it's going to hurt a little bit. And I ask this, I'll ask you this question. When is the joke is when do you laugh at a joke your hardest? When? When it's the most uncomfortable? When it's not about you. Yeah. OK, there we go. When you laugh. Oh, man, in Japanese do be doing it. Yeah, man, the Mexicans do be doing it. They say black people. Hey, man, why are you going to us like that? It's just sort of I want to take I want to take a break. I want to come back to that just to tie that up, because I really want to get your take on it, not my take on it, on how we can navigate now through a world where we've gone too politically correct. Have we? And then how do we not go too far on the other side without putting something there that that's in you know, that makes sense. We're here with Tim Ferriss. Is Fox so serious right here? You better tune in right now and get your life right, because he's going to come in after this and tell you how to get your life together in four hours. Serious. Ninety six. J Fox, Fox. Oh, we'll be right back. Tim, what is this? What is what is this song?

BABYMETAL Karate (34:53)

This is Babymetal Karate. Babymetal Karate, baby, that's what's going to be in the playlist as Tim Ferriss. That's Tim Ferriss. It's Fox already. Oh, serious. Ninety six. We are getting nourished right now. We're not just having a radio show. We're getting nourished with with with with our minds.

Political Correctness (35:12)

We were just talking before we went to break. We were talking about political correctness. Has it become too much? And you were saying you were talking about Daniel Tosh and I was because I think that he is. If you if you look at his headshot like this, this is a guy who you wouldn't expect to step out and bring some of the comedy that he does. And I recall at one point before he was I think it was before Tosh point out, but when he was doing stand up and what I appreciated was how uncomfortable he made every day. And I just remember this one bit and there will be a point to this, but he opened it up with I wonder if people taste like their ethnic cuisine and I'm going to massacre the bend. No, that's hilarious. But he's like, like, like black people, black people like, do they taste like fried chicken? And then everyone's like, oh, I don't know if I should laugh. I don't know. No, no, no. I'll get you. Don't worry. He's like Chinese people. Kung pao chicken. And then everybody starts loosening up and they're laughing, laughing, laughing. It's audience by 50 percent white. And then he's like and white people. He's like, no, we don't need white people. And so they didn't get the out. They didn't get the out. Everyone's like, oh, my God, was it OK to laugh? Was it not OK to laugh? And I think that I think it was Mae West who said, you know, those who are offended easily should be offended more often. Yeah.

Social Justice Warriors (36:25)

And I love that. And I think that in the U.S. right now, we were just talking on break about how the Internet, I think, is it's a great tool, but it's like a knife. It cuts both ways. And it can be used for harm or could be used for good. And when every genius, but every idiot has a voice there, there are you a genius or an idiot? Yeah. It's a new T-shirt. And everyone has a voice. But I think in that environment, what we've seen is that you could take you can sacrifice, unfortunately, some people who could really contribute to society if they if they slip up and say one stupid thing, which we all say. But they'll get lynched, not by their peers necessarily, but people who aren't in a position and shouldn't be in a position to judge them. And so what I would say is that we have a term social justice were that's used for people who are just on the Internet constantly saying you can't say that. You know, like you were talking about college campuses, talking about whales like you will. Yeah, man. Do I'm doing a college thing and I say something about whales. Well, shaming. We couldn't do a joke on on one of the things about sharks because some some singer said she's doing the shark campaign to save the sharks and they shut us down. We couldn't tell shark jokes. That's unbelievable. To me, it's so what do we do? Because I want to let you talk. What I what I think that one of the ways we could stem this tide is because I feel like there are a lot of people who can contribute to society and we're all flawed human beings. We're all going to make mistakes. We're all going to say stupid things that shouldn't remove your ability to contribute to society. Right. Even if you even if let's just say you're not let's say somebody does say something racist or sexist or fill in the blank. If they're doing incredibly valuable work like that, they shouldn't have to resign from their job necessarily for that. Now, I mean, of course, it's a question of degree, but what I would say is one of the ways I think we need to stem the tide is by using language because that's the weapon that's being used to to sort of mute freedom of speech. In other words, if someone says fill in the blank ist, they can they can shut you down. They can end your comedy show. Well, right now, we don't have a term to apply to those people who cry wolf too often and do unmitigated damage. So what if instead of social justice warrior, which sounds actually net positive, there was a term, the one that I thought of was bigoted. So bigoted is someone who tries to be a profiteer by calling other people bigots. And all of a sudden, those people will have a consequence for crying wolf and falsely accusing people loosely.

Bigots (38:57)

So I think that that language is one of the key pieces in this arsenal because the problem itself is a problem of language. So I'm curious to see where it'll go. And also, I would just implore people, comedians and other people who are in a position where perhaps they're, say, self-employed, so they don't have or they don't perceive as many risks as someone who's in like a tight corporate structure. Speak your mind. Right. And really recognize that the downside in most cases is being judged by people you shouldn't care about impressing in the first place. Right, right, right, right. Because there are people out there who just want to do that. I mean, sometimes people tell me about what they say about this and I don't really get into it. But, yeah, he's racist. Nobody dates white girls. But then there's the Trayvon, but he's gay. And I said, man, you can't keep up with all of these things that people. And then if you say one thing, I've always been this, even in the toughest situations where there's been situations where either something has been said about black folks or someone's been saying about people that I care about. I've always been leery of someone saying something and you taking everything away from them. I remember it was, I don't know if it was Don Imus, I don't remember who it was, but I believe myself and Howard Stern were on the same page. We were on the same page. First of all, huge Howard Stern fan, like huge fan of his. Howard Stern has made his living his whole life. I mean, you know, Don Rickles 2.0, if you would. And we've said some of the wildest shit on our show and on his show, but I never thought that someone should be shut completely down. If we say something, we had to own up to Miley Cyrus. We did something that was that she was 16. I didn't know who she was at the time. We did jokes that was, you know, we did our type of jokes. We would have considered a black Howard Stern. And once my daughter came to, "Jay, why would you do that daddy to Hannah Montana?" And I was like, "Who is Hannah Montana?" And we didn't know, but we did make a mistake. But what we did was we put ourselves on punishment. We went down for however many weeks and then we came back. We made our apologies because, you know, it was, we offended people at that time. But what we asked was, "Don't let us close shop. Don't let us put away our comedy swords because that's what we're here to do." And the interesting thing about jokes is if half the room goes, "Ooh," and half the room laughs, that's usually a successful outing with jokes. Definitely. And I think that for those people interested, you know, one of the biggest assets and resources for me over the last decade or so has been stoic philosophy. So Marcus Aurelius and Seneca, it's very old, but it's actually surprisingly easy to read.

Stoic Philosophy to Make Better Decisions (41:59)

And the objective of stoic philosophy is to give you basically an operating system for making better decisions in life without being reactive. And I think that we suffer from an illusion in the U.S., which is that comfort will bring happiness. And so we want to close our sphere of comfort, if that makes sense, whereas we should want to expand our sphere of comfort by exposing ourselves to things that are uncomfortable, by exposing ourselves to opinions we dislike, exposing ourselves to, I mentioned I was fasting for the last few days, exposing myself to hunger so that I don't fear being hungry. So that if I'm in an airport and I'm like, "Oh, I haven't eaten in six hours, I should really have a Big Mac," no, you don't need to eat. You can go as long as you need to without eating. And developing a resilience and a strength in that. And I think that if it's very important, and you see this in, for instance, where I live in Silicon Valley a lot, because I've been involved with tech for a long time, but you have to make mistakes and you have to make frequent mistakes in order to learn and innovate. And language is the underlying foundation of all of that. So like you said, if someone makes a mistake and you close up shop, that is the fastest way to end learning, innovation, pushing the envelope, and healing a lot of wounds. I mean, because you take these issues and you just shove them under the surface. You don't get rid of them by muting someone. Right, right. Exactly right. Because I would always say, you're taking someone out of the equation who really can help you. There are really racist people. There are really bigoted people out there. But the comedian and folks who are just, you know, there was a situation like, and I'll talk about this because it's already out there and she's a good friend of mine, but it was Amy Pascal. And Amy Pascal and there was this internet email thing and people just went berserk. Oh my God, she's burning crosses. She got a white sheet in the back of a Mercedes. And I'm like, bro, look at the amount of movies that she's done that are African American. And Elijah's here, he can tell you, she was the only one doing African American film. You know, now you take something that was out of context. If they caught me in my house talking about other races, oh man, I wouldn't be able to go to Laos. I wouldn't be able to, I would talk about everybody, you know what I'm saying? But she was a great person when it came to doing African American movies. Now she's not there. So now who you got? So I was like, be careful on slinging that type of rhetoric around too much because a lot of people that are out there are going to, like I said, you're going to make a mistake every once in a while. But like I said, you shouldn't like, you know, throw them overboard. It's Foxhole Radio Sirius 96. We're here with Tim Ferriss. He's given us the tools when I tell you that Oprah Winfrey is now a white man and he's on the internet. His name is Tim Ferriss, 70 trillion downloads on his podcast. And I'm going to read what it says so people don't be like, oh, Jamie Huggins was saying Oprah Winfrey dating a white man. No, what I'm saying is how Tim Ferriss became the Oprah of audio. How did you get into this? How did you, let's get into it now. Tech world, you said a tech world. How does one get into that?

Breaking Into Technology And Lifestyle Design

How to Get into Tech (45:29)

So I moved, I moved to the Bay Area, so moved to the San Francisco area after college and just in time for everything to implode. So I moved there at 99. I was the second to lowest paid aside from the secretary at the startup company. They made a mistake. They sent out an Excel spreadsheet and one of the tabs was everybody's compensation. That was a big mistake. I made everybody upset. But in any case, that company imploded and I found myself on the West Coast and I was surrounded by tech. So I was in the middle of the switchboard. And so I decided to become involved because I'd built some companies prior to that in advising and investing in startups. And the way I looked at it, and I think this is a helpful way to look at a lot of things, is originally as context, I had fantasized about going to Stanford Business School. There's a whole host of reasons, but I'd always felt like I was kind of intended to go to Stanford because there's a beautiful campus. The palm trees didn't go. And I was like, I need to go there for business school. And I applied twice. I went through the process and I didn't go because it was too theoretical. And what I ended up deciding was, OK, I'm going to take the money that I would have had to pay for business school and I'm going to put it into investing in startups. And that's going to be my MBA. So I'm going to, over two years, the same space of time, I'm going to invest small checks in these startups. And my assumption is I'm going to lose all the money. So I shouldn't use money that I can't afford to lose. So over that period of time, I was looking at it as education. So it's like, what can I invest in where I will learn a lot? What kind of startup can I invest in where I'll have the opportunity to interact with people who will average me up? One piece of advice I was given when I was in my teens that I found probably the most useful of any was you're the average of the five people you associate with most. So I was like, all right, how can I use these small bets to associate with higher and higher caliber of person? And I did that over the span of two years and I didn't lose all the money. A couple of them worked. And so I ended up investing in Twitter, Facebook, Uber and many others. So that was the beginning of my relationship in tech and helping some of these startup founders in very particular ways. But the audio came about in the podcast because I was burned out on books. I was totally burned out on books. I have this terrible habit of writing long books. So they're 400 to 700 pages long. And I was so first book. My first book was four hundred and twenty pages as a four hour workweek that came out 2007. Nobody expected it to do anything. It had an initial print run of twelve thousand copies. And it hit the New York Times list largely thanks to early adoption by tech folks. And it stayed there for four more than four years unbroken. And nobody expected that to happen. So I remember my my my editor, my editor called me at the time, Heather. And I remember I got the call and she goes, I was exhausted because I was doing some radio junket, some satellite radio. You know, these things you like sit there with like a pitcher of coffee and you 30 radio interviews. I just finished. I was so exhausted. And she called and she goes, hey there, Mr. New York Times bestselling author. And I was like, what? And she goes, you hit the list. And I was like, Heather, don't fuck with me. Not right now, please. I can't do it. She's like, no, you hit the list. And it was just so unexpected and so surreal. How do you feel, man? I leaned back against the wall in a room by myself because everybody had left. It was like 6 p.m. on the East Coast and just kind of slid down the wall and just like sat there. And I didn't know what to think. I mean, kid with the collapsed lung. Yeah. Yeah. I was a young kid who who whose body temperature gets heated up and whose brain shuts down, brain shuts down. And also you got a best seller. Yeah. It was. I was literally blank. Like I just I couldn't even conceive of it being real. It's kind of like waking up from a dream. And you're like, oh, no, no, no, it's just a dream. So it took me a long time to even begin to conceive of how that process, how that would affect my life. But it opened the door to writing more. So I'd never planned on being a writer. In fact, I decided after college, I didn't want to write because I found it so painful. And so I think like like many people, maybe that, you know, certainly people I know, they create things because they're scratching their own itch, like they have to create it or it'll drive them crazy. And so writing was like that for me. And the audio came about because I did three books and I just found myself burned out. I felt like I'd been using the same part of my brain. Talk about the three books. So we have Four Hour Work Week, which was really a collection of experiments. So for our listeners right now that's listening to Fox on Radio Series 96. Get into what Four Hour Work Week is. So the Four Hour Work Week is a book that focuses on my studies of different entrepreneurs and case studies of my own, different experiments, looking at how you can 10x your hourly output. And once you control that currency known as time, you can do all sorts of interesting things like travel. So it talks about low cost travel. It talks about geo arbitrage, where you might say outsource things to a different country and very interesting ways to design ideal lifestyles.

Book 1 of The Four Hour Series, The Four Hour Work Week shameless plug at 21:17 (50:24)

So that was the first book. And that's been out for almost 10 years now. It's still usually top 200 on Amazon. The next book for our body came back to my roots, the wrestling roots, basically. And it looked at physical performance. So I did experiments in every possible way, whether it was maximal strength, sprinting, NFL combine training, holding my breath with David Blaine, sleep, sex, you name it. Sleep, sex. Go back to that part. So sleep, I studied people, friends of mine who'd been able to get by for years on two to two and a half hours of sleep a day by splitting their sleep up into something called polyphasic sleep, including Matt Mullenweg, Ricardo knows of Matt Mullenweg, who runs a billion dollar company. And that was sex. We looked at a bunch of different aspects. So for the men, we let's take a few minutes on that. Talk about the section. It's not that I'm really concerned about it. I just want to get your take on things right now. So we talked about things related to sort of male sexual health and performance, such as improving testosterone, improving sperm count, and so on. And then there were at least two chapters, but two chapters that probably got, well, they did get a lot of attention. They were on female. All the guys picked up like, "How I need to do it now? What's going on?" Two chapters on everything related to female orgasm. Wow. And what was funny about that chapter is that I didn't realize it was right in the middle of the book. There are all these vagina diagrams. Right. And so the book got yanked out of Costco because there are all these moms who were like, "Oh, look at this." They just opened another. Opened it up and it would just flip right open to all these vaginas and their kids would just be like, "What are these, mommy?" And they're like, "Oh, they're butterflies." Yeah, it was just chaos. So the book got yanked out of Costco. Oh, man. That is it. Now, our listeners are all over the place, but what about a female orgasm? What's in this? What's the key? Yeah, what's the key? Well, the key is to start with... So about 50% of women in the U.S., last I checked, are in orgasmic. They've not experienced an orgasm. And that can have a lot of reasons. It can have a lot of explanations, whether it's religious upbringing, being the oldest sister is very common as a pattern. Really? Yeah. And there are others, certainly. But what's very helpful, and people can look into this, is looking at something called orgasmic meditation, which is basically manual stimulation of the clitoris without any sex, meaning no penetration. So you separate the sexual act from the orgasm and you effectively are practicing mindfulness and an attention to the sensation of being pleasured and stimulated for the woman. So there's no performance anxiety, in other words. You just say, "We're going to do this for 15 minutes," and you don't have to do anything. You just focus on your breath and feeling, and there's no sex. You don't have to do anything for me. You don't have to perform. And by removing all of those pressures and all those expectations with practice, and sometimes it's the first session, these women who have never experienced orgasms experience orgasm. And then there's the technical piece, right? So if you look, if you want to get into it, so if you're looking directly at the clitoris, about one o'clock on that clitoris, top upper right quadrant, is where most women will be most sensitive. Boy, Tim is, boy. I was a pimp right there. And light contact, which means four pages of paper deep. That's it. I think a lot of guys go after like they're starting a lawnmower. That's not super effective. Rubber knuckle. Yeah, rubber knuckle. What are you trying to do, my guy? Yeah, exactly. So light. Because I was a black girl. So those are some of the things that are in that chapter. That is amazing. That is amazing. And you know what? To be honest, that can help a lot of relationships. Oh, it has. I know that. It's directly saved marriages. Wow, that's amazing. And I got a letter from someone, a Hollywood director, a pretty well-known guy, who was able to finally get pregnant with, well, he didn't get pregnant, but his wife got pregnant with a few of the things from The 4-Hour Body. Very simple stuff. Man, it's Foxhole Radio. Let Tim Ferriss get you pregnant. It's Sirius 96. We're going to take a break. We're coming right back. One o'clock, ladies. We out. Yes. AMP Radio, this is Jamie Foxx. We're back with Tim Ferriss. That's 7 Dust. 7 Dust. Now, all you guys out there listening right now, trying to figure this out, I'm with Tim Ferriss. He is the considered now the Oprah of audio podcasts. You can get your life right.

persons and their label by 7Dust Splinter that song tho the boom tho (55:10)

And what's amazing, listening to that song right now, which is one of his top five songs, tell them who that is. Well, that is Splinter by 7 Dust. I actually used that for a book trailer that I did for The 4-Hour Body. And people hear that and they might not realize the characteristics of the lead singer. He is a black dude with long dreads from Atlanta. See? Don't just homogenize. I mean, just generalize. And their acoustic double-wide album is incredible. Wow. Fantastic. We're going to get that. Listen, we talked about the books. We talked about 4-Hour Workday. 4-Hour Body. Talk about this, though. And I've always said this with Ricardo. You know, I'm late to the to the party when it comes to podcasts, when it comes to Internet, when it comes to social media. I struggle with the whole idea of social media because it goes against sort of against a little bit what I do. You know, being an artist, I didn't know. It's weird to see the world change. It's weird to see the world change where, you know, I worked so much on, well, there's Mystique. And then my daughter, my oldest daughter, said, "Dad, you can stay hidden if you want to. They'll forget about you." That's what you mean. You know, you dropped the album, then you wait a couple of years and he says, "Dad, you better drop an album every six months or they forget about you." So Ricardo, you know, young, finger on the pulse of everything, huge fan of yours, comes to me and says, "Man, you have to meet this guy. He'll change your life. You did change my life." But let me ask you this. How did you master this? What is the ingredient or what is or is it just a blessing? What is this? How do you become 70 million downloads? That means that is interaction. That's not somebody saying, "These people are following me." This is going down. Yeah, that's usually two and a half hour interviews too. It's not like a 30-second video clip. It's a commitment. I think there are a few ingredients and I'm sure there was a lot of luck and good timing involved, certainly.

20 % Rule Only 20% will like what you do. (57:19)

But there are a few things that I very deliberately keep in mind that I think have been helpful. The first is, and you kind of alluded to this earlier, where you know you got a really strong joke when half the room laughs and half doesn't. Okay, so I never write. Let's just say, so my blog has, let's just call it two and a half, three million readers, right? Which at one point was around the same subscriber base as the Wall Street Journal, I think. But regardless, and I write long pieces. They're not short. And when I write a piece, and this is true of the audio too, I never write a piece that I hope all two and a half or three million people will like. I try to write a post that 10% will love. And then I assume every few months I will hit everybody. So it's like by the time I rotate through six or ten articles, each person will get one that they are absolutely diehard in love with and they will share that.

Content (58:13)

And on another level, when I write, I try to produce evergreen content or when I'm recording audios. So when we were doing our recording, which was three feet from where we're sitting on the couch, I was trying to ask questions that would provoke stories and answers and lessons learned that people could use ten years from now. Right, right, right. So it's not just a three minute TV interview, nothing wrong with that, but asking you about the latest celebrity news, which is going to be irrelevant in six months. It was trying to search for the timeless and also trying to focus on really getting 10% to love something, even if the other 90% hate it. That's okay. Right, right, right. And I remember at some point, I don't recall who said it, but there was a quote I read that had a huge impact on me, which was, "There's no sure path to success, but the sure path to failure is trying to please everyone." Wow, Elijah, Ashley, did you just hear that? And I'm talking to Elijah and Ashley, who are incredible writers themselves as far as the movie, and they just sold some things. So they're getting this nourishment as well. And there are also a few books that have had a very, very helpful impact on my thinking about this. One is a very short read. It's called "The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing." And what I like about it, get the old version, not the for the internet version. Right. The old version, where they're looking at imported beer and airlines, that's the one that I like. And it just talks about, in other, or I should say in simple terms, how to create new categories as opposed to trying to dominate an existing category. Wow, wow. So it's easier and more effective to try to create a new category, which I often do through language.

Lifestyle Design (59:54)

Right. So I wrote the four-hour workweek. I wrote the book that I couldn't find. It was basically the book that I wanted to find. And the options at the time, I went to the bookstore, I was searching for meaning, I had all these challenges with business, with entrepreneurship, and so on. And I could either choose a book that was how to give up money and why it's not important, how to reuse your toothpaste 17 times, or how to build a Fortune 500 company with Jack Welch. And I wanted something in between. Right. So I wrote that and ended up using this term that may have existed before, but I hadn't heard it, called lifestyle design. So lifestyle design, I did not trademark, I did not make any attempt to protect because I wanted to become part of the common vocabulary. Right. I wanted to become part of the vernacular. Right. Which it has. So now that's used by hundreds and thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of people. Lifestyle design. And it's a category. Now, since I was first, that first mover advantage, I am kind of forever, in a sense, the founding father of that category.

Stories On Leadership And Personal Development

Starting Your Podcast (01:00:52)

Right. And when I looked at podcasting, I asked myself two things. I asked myself, first and foremost, how can I do something that is different from what is currently out there? Yeah. And let's make a list of all the attributes. Let's call the 10, 20 people who are, say, organizers of events related to these things, what are their rules? And they lay it out. So they're like, okay, it needs to be this, you need to have musical segues, you need to have, it needs to be 20 minutes or less, or whatever they might be. Right. Whatever their rules are. And I would look at the most common rules and then I would try the opposite. Mm. And... Wow. And what I realized was that if you focus also on highly tactical, actionable bits of information, not abstract, then it's a rarity right now. For whatever reason, things tend to get very, very abstract. So if I lay out, let's say, my common rapid fire questions are designed very specifically to be actionable and therefore shareable. And I'll tell you what I mean by that. If I ask a person, what is the book you've gifted the most to other people? What does the first 90 minutes of your morning look like? What is the purchase for $100 or less that has most impacted your life in the last six months? And I ask these questions. There are two aspects of it that make it very, very viral and very valuable. Well, number one is that people can emulate and test all of those things the next day. Secondly, they won't just share the information. They will try those things and then share the results that they get from that on social media or elsewhere. And as a consequence of that, if I stopped writing completely or if I stopped doing the podcast completely, my back catalog gets listened to so much that there would basically be no drop off. So I could take the three years off and I wouldn't actually fear being forgotten. Right. And these are counter examples. So this is the other thing I always look for. I look for counter examples of people who aren't doing what everyone else is doing. Like this is the first one that comes to mind, but like Daniel Day Lewis. Yeah. As far as I know, that guy's just, he's gone. He's a phantom unless he comes out and then you're like, "Oh shit, he won another Oscar." Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sort of in between sometimes because I do look at some people that use it a lot and sometimes it may exhaust them a little. But I also look at the people who do stay refreshed and I don't know this either, but I know Adele came out and just smashed and sold however many billions of records. While Beyonce, it's an onslaught, which is great as well. But you also end up in a kind of chicken or the egg conundrum, I think, with a lot of these celebrities because one can wonder, did they sell so many records because they had a big social following? Or did they get so many people as a social following because they weren't on social media and focused on their art first? Ooh. Right? So I am of the opinion, and this is speaking as a tech investor. I have a dog in this fight. I have a lot to gain by people using social media. I think more artists are distracted from their most important work than are helped for their important work by social media. Say that again, Tim! Let him know, Tim! Speak to the artist, Tim, right now! It's Fox Already, it's Sirius96. I want people to really understand what you're saying because I overheard an artist who didn't have to say this, that it was more about the machine than maybe the art. And my thing was, I think you're great at both, but if you forget about the art, that machine will fall on top of you.

Deep Work vs. Social Media (01:05:00)

Oh, the machine will churn you up. Absolutely. Talk to them, Tim, please. They need this right now. Oh my God. If I look at the writers that I most aspire to be like or emulate, if I look at the artists I most respect, they're very good at shutting out distractions for a period of time and doing deep work. And you need a certain degree of isolation, I think, in many hour blocks of time to connect those uncommon dots or to create new dots altogether. And those who are distracted by social media are increasingly unable to create the conditions for their best work. And it's not hard to understand why because, for instance, there's a book that I haven't seen but a friend told me about, another writer. And I think it's called Working on My Novel. It's the name of the book, but it's a collection of tweets and Facebook posts from people who should have been working on their novel. All these writers who said they were on writing deadline, but writers will do anything to avoid writing. So give them something easy to do, like post on Twitter, take pictures of their food and put it on Instagram. They're not going to write. Oh, Lord. You know what, Tim? This is giving... First of all, let me say this. I know a lot of entertainers, and I know we're actually simulcasting on your podcast as well. I want to let people know on your podcast that I'm doing a little bit of this craziness because we are doing my radio show. So I don't want them to listen to my podcast. Why is he screaming and acting so crazy? But when it comes to social media, I've watched a lot of artists die because they're so connected to this that they'll read their comments, and then they won't be able to dig out. And they begin to try to please everyone, which goes back to what you said, that you can't please them. Exactly. And furthermore, I would say artistic death is creativity by consensus. And if you're looking at your comments to determine how to steer your creative ship, you're dead before you even get out of the gate. And that's my opinion. I think that if you look at anything that's truly groundbreaking, it went against the tide. It never would have been voted for. If you follow my mind, I don't know why this first thing comes to mind, but like Macklemore and like thrift store like that, if you had put that into the machine, I wouldn't have gotten it out. I would never have gotten past square one. And some of the writing that you see that's really innovative. I just read this book called How to Get Filthy Rich in Rising Asia, which is written by a really smart guy in Pakistan, actually. And it's written in effectively first person. So it says you wake up with the side of your head on the mud in your mother's thatched hut. And it's all you, you, you. It's just so inventive. And if he had tried that as his first book going through traditional process, never would have worked. I don't think it would never would have seen the light of day. So, so my thinking at least, and if I look at my best work and we've all had, well, I shouldn't say we, I'll speak for myself. I've had better work and I've certainly had weaker work. Right. Right. And if I look at when those things come to pass, the best work is coming from periods of deep work where I purposefully block out exterior distractions and inputs and opinions.

Feeling responsible for your impact as a leader (01:08:29)

Right. Right. Let me ask you this. When I'm on the street and people come up to me, they talk about you in a, in a almost. Not in a sense of an Oprah Winfrey way, but almost there's an almost a. Not to get in trouble, but you're leading like you're, you're, you're people wake up and I need this Tim Ferriss. I need that. Uh, when meeting, when I met Oprah Winfrey, there was an incredible light. Just like when I see you as an incredible light coming from, but also to, she felt there was an incredible responsibility because there would be times where she would be exhausted from literally carrying the 70 million downloads. You know, innocent metaphorical for her. Do you ever feel that way? Do you ever feel like, Whoa, is I didn't know that this was going to happen. So I need two parts of this. I mean, one, how you became that. What's what's the ingredient? And then two, now that you're here, do you feel a certain different responsibility? So part one, how it happened would be, I think, first thinking of content in the way that I described. So trying to hit 10% of the people I can reach and have them love something as opposed to, as opposed to trying to please everyone all the time. And then I would say the evergreen focus. Uh, the piece that I didn't discuss yet that I think is important is everyone goes after the traffic leaders. What I mean that by that is that it could apply to magazines, could buy TV. They'd say, who has the greatest number of viewers, followers, et cetera. How do I get to those influencers? And that's the most crowded channel. And it's going to be the most difficult because those are the people who are in the limelight at the peak. They're the hardest to contact. What I did in the very beginning, which I think led to the tipping point for the four hour work week in part is that I decided to go after the thought leaders that the traffic leaders paid attention to. So if you look at the people who, for instance, when this is true on, this could be true on YouTube. It could be true on at the time, you know, this was 19 I'm sorry, 2007. So blogs, I was looking at blog rolls and so on. I identified the thought leaders. People were very, very smart, but weren't, they weren't a compulsive self promoters. They didn't care about a large audience, but their audience was comprised of these people who had millions and tens of millions of readers. So I would do things with them. And, and those, and the domino effect led to over time, a very, very large broadcast capability and very large following the in terms of the responsibility. I absolutely feel that, you know, with great audience comes great leverage and great influence to, to a great degree and great responsibility. And for that reason, for instance, in the four hour body, there was a chapter on breath holding, which, which was done with, with David Blaine I mentioned, and I took it out of the book because even though I had all these warnings, the audience was large enough that there were people who weren't paying attention to the warnings. And if you try to do breath holding in water, you can kill yourself with a shallow water black belt. And so I wasn't prepared at that time to accept, accept that breaking a few eggs to make the omelet. I wasn't prepared to have metaphorical blood on my hands. Right. Right. Right. And I decided that the, the benefits of having it in the world were not greater than the risks and liabilities. So I took it out. And I do have to be careful in a sense because if I say something in a really offhand way, people could take it very literally. And that's what I was going to ask you now, now that I mean, man, look, I've my life changed in the fact of like people come up to me, it will blow your mind. He'll tell you, it will blow your mind of people that come up to say, you've been blessed by him. How was he? Were you moved? Did you touch the hem of his garment? I mean, it's really on some like incredible admiration. So with this incredible, uh, minefield of every single thing that you say, and then the way the nature of the beast of America of humans, we want to build them up. We say one thing and we want to rip the cords out of his podcast. How does that, how does that work now? Or do you have, do you have the ability to go somewhere, do whatever you feel like and no one bothers you? Well, I think there are a few things that I try to consider to keep myself sane and also keep my head from getting too big. The first is I always assume I'm 14 minutes into my 15 minutes of fame. I just always try to assume that. Could you tell that to some of these other people? I could just name a few right now walking around with bodyguards. I just assume it's never gonna last forever. Of course it's not. So it's, there's an expiration date on it and that's helpful. I think number one, well, it's very helpful for savoring the experience and not constantly looking forward to bigger and bigger plans. Although that's a component I think of good strategy. The second is I will very deliberately force myself and I will schedule this in advance to take time off the grid. So for instance, you know, I'm going to take this July, I'm basically orchestrating, putting systems in place right now, recording things in advance that I can go off the grid for four weeks. I'm gone. And I did that before in Indonesia, no calendar, no phone, no internet, no email for four weeks. And it's like taking a, it's like taking a six to 12 month vacation when you come back. That feels good. You know, you're just like, Oh my God, I didn't realize like every notification, every email, every ping, every noise. It's just like having Chinese water torture all day. And then, and then you turn it off and you're like, I didn't even realize I was going through Chinese water torture. It's an incredible relief. And it helps you with that deep work I was talking about. Helps me at least. So, uh, so yes, I do very deliberately engineer my life in such a way that I can take time outside of the machine because I'm not good at, I'm not good at juggling all the pieces when I'm surrounded with that noise. I need time out. It's Tim Ferriss. It's, it's, this is simultaneously on his podcast and Foxhole radio series 96. We're going to take a break. And as you, as you've noticed, we are getting nourished. We're getting fed. We're going to come back and wrap up with Tim, whatever he wants to give us, uh, to let us know how to move forward, how to get your own, how to get your life together, man. And yes, I have touched the hem of his garment. We back in a moment.

Federico Aubele - Esta Noche (01:15:36)

That was an Argentinian track. What was the name of that? That was Federico Albele track. Esta noche. That's amazing. He is from Buenos Aires. Buenos Aires. Now you've been to these places. I have. I got, uh, when I did my walkabout to try to figure out my life in 2004, I got, uh, got to Panama and a friend of mine said, you should go to Argentina because you can live like a king for pennies on the dollar. And the most beautiful women, most delicious steak and wine on the planet. And I was like, all right, I'll check it out. I must go book the trip. It was supposed to be a four week trip. And I was there for nine months. Really? I was. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Come on, Tim. Now you went there for a week and you ended up nine months. What was it? Was it love? What was going on? I was, uh, I got bitten by the bug that was tango and I had deliberately beforehand said I was not going to practice tango because the only version of tango I'd seen was like Al Pacino instead of a woman or Arnold Schwarzenegger, true lies. I was like, I don't want to do that. That's not for me. And, uh, ended up just becoming obsessed with it. And I went, went to the world championship six months later. Are you serious? What is going on Tim? Break that down to us. Now we were talking about podcasts, but all of a sudden you're the tango champion in Argentina. The white man goes to Argentina and shuts it down. Well, you go from Japan, you get a chance to take a bath with grandma first. You move up the bath food chain. Then you step into Argentine, little wine, a little steak and all of a sudden. All of a sudden I'm dancing six, eight hours a day. Yeah, it was, uh, it was an amazing experience and I had a fantastic dance partner, but the, it's all related to what we've been talking about. So the same way that I've looked at the testing of assumptions, the asking questions. So the things that I learned in Japan, just like some of the things your grandmother armed you with, it all added up later. This ability to test assumptions. I remember in Argentina, I got became infatuated with tango and uh, I started asking myself, what are the rules that everyone says I should do?

What are the rules & what if you did the opposite (01:17:37)

What if I did the opposite? So they say you should learn how to lead. I said, what if I learned the female part first? That's a weird step. So I learned the follow first from world-class female teacher. Then I looked at competition footage and what people were teaching and I said, all right, what's actually winning the championships and what are they teaching and where are the gaps? What are the things that are winning championships? Like long steps, certain types of pivots that aren't being taught. If I learn those, I'll have an unfair advantage. So let me find the teachers who specialize in those. So this is what I got to ask. Where does that come from? Where does that type of thinking, I think for, for listeners who are listening on both of your podcasts and on the rate and on my radio show, where does that, is that a blessed thing? Did you learn how to do that? I need two parts of this one. Is that a blessing and two, what is a pocket? I think it's, I think it's both something I'm, it is blessing in the sense that I've always liked asking questions. Are you a spiritual person? Is there any? I would consider myself, I mean, I grapple with that word a little bit. I'm not religious. I wouldn't consider myself religious, but I've had a lot of experiences in the last few years that would lead me to believe there's something out there. What do you think it is? That we have it all, boy. Do you think we get to heaven and it's just like a gang of bathtubs we could bathe in and it's Argentine women and it's, cause I used to think that heaven was going to be like just my best looking girl, just in everything I see.

Turning 40 and where youre going when you die (01:19:08)

Like everything I saw was my, was the epitome of what I thought beauty was and then my favorite food was the Sonic Burger. So I get to heaven and it's just Sonic Burger. Hot women and Sonic Burger. Just the woman I dig and you'd be surprised, you know, it's just like, I'm just up there eating Sonic Burger, I've got my wings, got ketchup on and all kinds of crazy things. But what do you, for a person who says, I'm not necessarily spiritual, I get that, but there's a lot of things that one would say in looking at you is spiritual. When you see the following and what you do to a person's psyche, what you do to a person's heart and mind is a spiritual thing. So what do you think is out there? Without getting too deep. We don't have to get too deep. Yeah, we could get into crazy town really quickly, but I have, I've had some very profound experiences. I'll just, you know what, I'll just go out there. So I've had some very unusual experiences primarily related to use of psychedelics that in group environments, proper supervision, and this is part of the reason that I'm actually helping to finance studies at Johns Hopkins and most likely UCSF and a couple of research institutions looking at medical applications of these things. That have led me to believe that putting death aside and what happens after death, if anything, like maybe it's lights out or worm food or maybe there's more, but I think right now there are potentially, well there are a few things. We could be living in a virtual reality. I think there's a non-trivial chance, possibility that that's the case. And second is that maybe that's not a bad thing. Third, I think there are sort of parallel existences and you might call them universes. The bizarro of it all. Exactly. Exactly. So I do think that it's possible and then this will probably be explained by the scientific method or through experiments at some point, but right now I can't explain a lot of what I've seen and experienced firsthand with some of these plant medicines. So that has called into question. I love how he calls it plant medicine. It's called... Elijah has just experienced some plant medicine as he's walked in. You can tell the way he's chewing that gum. There were some plant medicines going on on the 101. And pretty soon he'll disappear in a few minutes and experience some more plant medicines and come back with a big smile on his face. And the answers to it all. So I've always asked questions, but the writing and the meeting of mentors like Buxton has taught me how to ask better questions.

Routine, Relationships, And Reflections

Being a better person by asking better questions (01:21:42)

And so I am constantly in search of better questions because people think they need the answers. They don't need the answers. You need the right questions. And the podcast for me, the Tim Ferriss show was an opportunity to take a break from writing and to get better at asking questions. Because if you think about what thinking is, it's a little meta, but thinking, if you reflect on your internal dialogue, is asking and answering questions in your own head. So if you get better at asking other people questions, you get better at asking yourself questions. And that improves everything. So the Tim Ferriss show is really an opportunity for me to try to deconstruct world-class performers like yourself, like General Stanley McChrystal, like chess prodigy Josh Waitzkin, Laird Hamilton, undisputed king of big wave surfing, because I want to try to find the commonalities. What do these people have in common? So at least 80% of them have a daily meditation practice, for instance, just as one example. And what are the differences? So if I find somebody who's a morning person wakes up at five to write and then I meet someone who writes from 2 a.m. to 5 a.m., I want to talk about that and why that's different. And it's been an opportunity for me to hopefully, I have these conversations that are so fun with people like yourself and others, and I just thought for years, I'm like, "God, it'd be so much fun and useful to share this with my fans." But there was never a recorder around. And so I started the podcast. And the side gig turned into more than a side gig. And I tell you, it's amazing. So here's the question that everybody's asking now. What does Tim Ferriss do? What does Tim Ferriss do in the morning? What does Tim Ferriss do?

Routines: what do you do in the AM? (01:23:25)

What does Tim—what does the—see, this is the thing. Like the gurus and the people that have this, I call it the blessing. I call it the—you know, because I'm a spiritual person. You know, like my daughter, she knows the books of the Bible and everything like that. But when you see someone who has that shine, that inexplicable way to be, you're saying something that anyone else could say, but the way you're saying it, the way you're delivering it, and it works. So what do you do? Or do you listen to all of these things and sort of enhance your own routine? What do you do when you wake up in the morning? You wake up and say, "Man, I'm Tim Ferriss, bad motherfucker." Sometimes I wake up, I just want to pull the sheets over my head and stay in bed. I think we all have those mornings. But generally, yes, I do borrow from everybody. And my routine right now is I wake up. I tend to wake up on the late side because I go to bed late. So I wake up, let's just say 9 o'clock, be on the later side for me. But if I'm on deadline, I'll write until 5 in the morning. I'll wake up in the afternoon. Right now, I'll wake up, I will go upstairs, I will have supplements that are better absorbed on an empty stomach. I will then feed my dog, sit down, meditate for 20 minutes. So that's transcendental meditation, but I also could use Vipassana or anything else. There are many different ways to go about it. Then I will, at this moment, have a specific type of tea. I usually have Pu-erh tea, which is a Chinese tea with turmeric and ginger plus something called MCT oil, which helps your brain quite a bit because it gives you something to convert into ketones. Then I do Acro Yoga practice. So I have... What is that? So Acro Yoga is kind of like a Cirque du Soleil strength performance, typically with a man or woman. It's actually very similar to Tango, but it's gymnastics. So I'd be supporting a woman on my feet or one foot and my hands, and they'd be doing cartwheels and forward spins and headstands and shoulder stands and handstands on my hands. It's extremely fun and very good physical training. This is every day? I do it three times a week. You spin a girl on your feet? Three times a week for an hour and a half at a time. That's what I need to do. I need to find me a little lightweight babe to just flip her up around. You want to start with what they would call a tiny? That's a little one. Oh, this is amazing. And a flyer. One of my radio people, Ricardo, is showing me what this is. This is amazing. What is it called now? Acro Yoga. So you guys out there listening, go to AcroYoga.com? Acro Yoga. If you just search Acro Yoga, there's a guy named Jason Nemer, who's the co-founder N-E-M-E-R. Now what does this do?

Men need PHYSICAL touch! (01:26:02)

But does that give you some sort of interaction with female energy? It does quite a few things for me. So what I realized for myself is that in a culture such as our own in the U.S. where we have very puritanical inclinations and baggage, there's not a lot of physical touch. It's very forbidden and you have to be very, very careful about physical touch. But we are higher primates. We need physical contact. It is part of our hard-wiring DNA. And Acro Yoga is a fantastic way to have sensual contact that is not necessarily sexual, if that makes sense. And that gives you, I think, a charge and a therapy that is extremely valuable and hard to produce any other way. It's also very playful. And I think it's easy, for me at least, to take life too seriously or take myself too seriously. And when you're doing Acro Yoga, half the time you're making mistakes and falling on each other, flipping over. It's just playful. It's like going back to the playground. And I think as adults, it's very easy to think that serious is, meaning being serious, not the radio, is the tone you have to carry to do big things. Whereas I think that if you're always serious, you will end up being too exhausted to complete the truly important work. So you have to use play as a way to rest and reset. Now do I use the girl I'm dating for this? Or do I just go... You can do both. Could I tell my girl, "Hey, I gotta..." I'm going to be in the room flipping this girl upside down. I'll be out in about an hour. You could try that. It depends on the girlfriend. But you are in the epicenter right here. The best Acro Yoga, or most of the best Acro Yoga instructors on the planet are near Venice and Santa Monica. Wow. So you're right in the hotbed for this. I'm going to get into that. And then what else? How do you just like... You love to tango, you love to travel. But what makes you eager? Like, I can't wait for that, that day. What's that that makes you... Because we got our jobs, we do what I think, you're leading the people.

Why cheat day? (01:28:16)

But what makes you go like, "I look forward." I look forward to cheat day. So cheat day. Yeah. So cheat day. And yeah. She's seen cheat day. What's the cheat day? So cheat day. So I follow a diet that was in the 4-Hour Body. It's called the Slow Carb Diet. And it's very manageable. You can go out to eat with people. They won't even notice you're on a restrictive diet. And it really helps with losing fat loss very quickly and building muscle. So there have been many, many cases. I mean, dozens now. People have lost 100, 150, 200 pounds. But it's also very effective for just staying lean. And the component that I think is most important perhaps, or one of the more crucial, is the concept of cheat day. And that means you have six days of compliance. And then you have one day when you can do whatever you want. Oh, man. And I generally recommend that's a Saturday. And a lot of fans have nicknamed that "Fatter Day." "Fatter Day!" And they'll send me photos of all the crap they're eating. I'm gonna do this. Ice cream, pizza. I mean, like yesterday effectively was my cheat day. I was fasting for two days. And I was like, "You know what? This doesn't feel right." And I was about -- the clock struck midnight. And I was like, "Okay, it's cheat day." And I just demolished the entire hotel tray of goodies. And it was glorious. Oh, yeah. Macadamia nuts covered in chocolate. Oh, yes. Gummy bears. Oh. Candied ginger. Oh. And I didn't feel any guilt because that's the purpose of cheat day is to -- it's like the psychological release valve. So that you make yourself so sick, you're like, "I cannot wait to get back to my lentils and beans and chicken because I feel terrible." Wow. And then you can stick with it. And that's how people lose 100, 200 pounds. That's fantastic. Last but not least, for our listeners, we've talked about so many different things. Long Island, lung collapse, heat stroke vulnerable, college, doing it your own way. Just give us a wrap up of -- and I know it's sort of old school, but just it's sort of telling them -- taking that person from where they are right now. Because a lot of people when they listen in, they got all kinds -- people say, "Fox, man, I was having a bad day." Just give them a little something, man. Just a little something to get them going. I would say that you do big things by starting with the small things. And the way that I view my life, people ask me, "What's your five-year plan, ten-year plan?" I don't have one. Wow. Because a reliable five, ten-year plan is going to be shooting below your capability. I think that if you build a really tremendous life for yourself, in retrospect, it's going to look very accidental in many respects. And to that end, I try to view my life as two-week experiments. And by doing that, I'm going to try X for two weeks. It's not a permanent decision. You can do anything for two weeks. I'm going to try this low-carb diet for two weeks. I'm going to try fill in the blank, meditating for two weeks. I'm going to try whatever it might be. And you start to develop a confidence in your ability to act and change your reality for you and your family or those you care about. And people will often ask me, "How do I get confidence? How do I get confidence because then I want to go out and do things?" I'm like, "No, no. You've got it reversed." You have to do things small, a little bit bigger, medium-sized, and large to build that confidence. The only cure for lack of confidence is acting, and the way that I find easiest is to treat your life as a series of two-week experiments. And it's whatever your weakness is, whatever your excuse might be -- and we've all had excuses. I've had excuses, and it's like whether it's, "I'm too old," "I'm too young," "I'm not this," "I'm not that," "I'm too this," "I'm too that," whatever it is. There is someone who has felt that exact same way, said the same thing to themselves, and overcome it. And you can find those people, so go out and search for them. And one of the questions I ask experts all the time is, if I'm looking at someone who's, say, an ultra-endurance runner, I'll ask them, "Who is good at this? Who shouldn't be?" I know that you have the people who are built like spiders who are blessed with a certain physique that makes it easier for them to do this, but I want to know, where's the 250-pound guy who runs 50, 100-mile races? Is there such a person? And they'll be like, "Oh yeah, there is this one guy." I'll be like, "Okay, I want to study him." Wow, man. It's very comic book superhero the way you think. It is. That one, that soul. It is, but it's a toolkit, and I do write about this toolkit a lot in The 4-Hour Chef, the last book, which is kind of a book on accelerated learning disguised as a cookbook, but it is a toolkit that anyone can use. If you have Google and you speak English, you are in the 1%. I have to tell you. You have at your fingertips everything, and you just have to ask the right questions. Wow. That's it. Fox on Radio, Series 96. Hey, listen. Everybody out there listening, you got two weeks. I'll see you in two weeks, and you better have it done. We are with the one, the only. I joke. I kid when I first came on and said Oprah Winfrey was a white man, but let me tell you something, Tim. You're your own man, and for what you did, what you're doing for everybody, for those 70 million downloads and for those people that are in the street that you don't even get a chance to see like I see, they're counting on you, brother. Man, keep doing your thing and keep giving it to us.

Outro (01:33:50)

It's Jamie Foxx, Tim Ferriss, Fox on Radio, Series 96. Let me tell you something. When I die, heaven better be off the chain because I'm having a ball right now. Series, hey, XM 96, we going out of here. Tim Ferriss, I've touched the heel of the garment.

Short commercial break (01:34:12)

Hey, guys, this is Tim again. Just a few more things before you take off. Number one, this is Five Bullet Friday. Do you want to get a short email from me? Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday? That provides a little morsel of fun before the weekend, and Five Bullet Friday is a very short email where I share the coolest things I've found or that I've been pondering over the week. That could include favorite new albums that I've discovered. It could include gizmos and gadgets and all sorts of weird shit that I've somehow dug up in the world of the esoteric as I do. It could include favorite articles that I've read and that I've shared with my close friends, for instance. And it's very short. It's just a little tiny bite of goodness before you head off for the weekend. So if you want to receive that, check it out. Just go to 4hourworkweek.com. That's 4hourworkweek.com all spelled out and just drop in your email and you will get the very next one.

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And if you sign up, I hope you enjoy it. This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront, and this is a very unique sponsor. Wealthfront is a massively disruptive, in a good way, set it and forget it, investing service. Led by technologists from places like Apple and world famous investors. It has exploded in popularity in the last two years and they now have more than two and a half billion dollars under management. In fact, some of my very good friends, investors in Silicon Valley have millions of their own money in Wealthfront. So the question is why? Why is it so popular? Why is it unique? Because you can get services previously reserved for the ultra wealthy, but only pay pennies on the dollar for them. And this is because they use smarter software instead of retail locations, bloated sales teams, etc. And I'll come back to that in a second. I suggest you check out wealthfront.com/tim. Take the risk assessment quiz, which only takes two to five minutes, and they'll show you for free exactly the portfolio they put you in. And if you just want to take their advice, run with it, do it yourself, you can do that. Or as I would, you can set it and forget it. And here's why. The value of Wealthfront is in the automation of habits and strategies that investors should be using on a regular basis, but normally aren't. Great investing is a marathon, not a sprint, and little things that you may or may not be familiar with, like automatic tax loss harvesting, rebalancing your portfolio across more than 10 asset classes, and dividend reinvestment add up to very large amounts of money over longer periods of time. Wealthfront, as I mentioned, since it's using software instead of retail locations, etc., can offer all of this at low costs that were previously completely impossible. Right off the bat, you never pay commissions or account fees. For everything, they charge 0.25% per year on assets above the first $15,000, which is managed for free if you use my link, wealthfront.com/tim. That is less than $5 a month to invest a $30,000 account, for instance. Now normally when I have a sponsor on this show, it's because I use them and recommend them. In this case, it's a little different. I don't use Wealthfront yet because I'm not allowed to. Here's the deal. They wanted to sponsor this podcast, but because of SEC regulations, companies that invest your money are not allowed to use client testimonials, so I couldn't be a user and have them on the podcast. But I've been so impressed by Wealthfront that I've invested a significant amount of my own money, at least for me, in the team and the company itself. So I am an investor and hope to soon use it as a client. Now back to the recommendation. As a Tim Ferriss Show listener, you'll get $15,000 managed for free if you decide to open an account. But just start with seeing the portfolio that they would suggest for you. Take two minutes, fill out their questionnaire at wealthfront.com/tim. It's fast, it's free. There's no downside that I can think of. This episode is brought to you by MeUndies. If I'm not going commando, I'm in MeUndies.


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